Flushing at the end of Vegetative State..?

TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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Morning guys & gals.. :-) I was searching the internet lastnite & came across.. where this one fella flushed his soil after the plant had been in the Vegetative State.. Or towards the end of it.. Anybody have experience in doing this.. ? I've heard of ppl doin it.. I actually forgot about it until I had seen this.. I'd think you'd hav to be careful to not drown the plant.. Rite/wrong?! I'm gona start my 1st Medical grow in December and was just trying tp keep expanding my mind & cut the shit with every1.. !! Heh heh heh Ima go put on another pot of coffee while I wait for responces.. Dunkin Donuts sounds good rite about now too.. LoL..:-D
 
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tellno1

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i flush when i change from grow nutes to flower nutes .. as long as you have good drainage you never have to worry about drowning them

happy growin
 
Buddy Ganga

Buddy Ganga

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I flush my garden at least once in veg and at least once in flower before the final flush.
It helps to clear away other stages of nute's as well as any build up on the roots or in the soil.
I use fox farm "sledgehammer" personally and love the way the plants respond.
 
smokinrav

smokinrav

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No, don't do it. The stretch requires more N than the rest of the flowering stage so flushing when you switch to 12/12 will not help the plant develop structure for flowering and may lead to excessive early yellowing as it robs nitrogen from the leaves.
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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smokinrav said:
No, don't do it. The stretch requires more N than the rest of the flowering stage so flushing when you switch to 12/12 will not help the plant develop structure for flowering and may lead to excessive early yellowing as it robs nitrogen from the leaves.
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Hhhmmm.. Ok.. I'm gona have ta look what you said up.. Interesting point.. But I thought it was Magnesium & phoshorus that built strong stems & the Nitrogen was used solely during flowering..
 
smokinrav

smokinrav

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It should, I've been giving grow advice on forums like this for over ten years now. There are few situation I haven't heard of or responded too.

When you switch to 12/12, the plant goes on a growth spurt and doesn't grow pistil clusters until 10-14 days into it. This is the stretch and you need to keep up your Nitrogen at first just like in the veg stage or you will have early yellowing plants. Gradually swith over to your flowering ferts as you see pistil clusters develop.

More N for plant growth and more P and K for floweirng as a general rule, although all are needed to some degree in every stage. Don't forget your micronutrients...
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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smokinrav said:
It should, I've been giving grow advice on forums like this for over ten years now. There are few situation I haven't heard of or responded too.

When you switch to 12/12, the plant goes on a growth spurt and doesn't grow pistil clusters until 10-14 days into it. This is the stretch and you need to keep up your Nitrogen at first just like in the veg stage or you will have early yellowing plants. Gradually swith over to your flowering ferts as you see pistil clusters develop.

More N for plant growth and more P and K for floweirng as a general rule, although all are needed to some degree in every stage. Don't forget your micronutrients...
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Well Thankyou smokinrav.. what you say is true.. I won't be flushing until harvest time..
 
blissfest

blissfest

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I use drip clean from start to finish, and always have some run-off when I water. Plus I feed right up to chop day. Flushing a plant for better taste is just a myth and not needed.

Never ever flush a plant unless it is sick and fucked up.
 
Buddy Ganga

Buddy Ganga

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[SIZE=-0] So, you've heard about flushing, but you wonder why, right? Okay, let's paint a picture of what happens in nature to give us a comparison.
In nature, the rain droplets, (formed high in the atmosphere and highly oxygenated ) collect into droplets heavy enough to start falling earthward, and eventually reach the earth where the plant is growing.
The rain soaks the soil surrounding the soil, and releases the oxygen collected during the water droplet's fall.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-0]Gravity continues to pull the water downward through the soil to the watertable, washing all accumulated plant wastes downward with it and away from the roots.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0] [/SIZE][SIZE=-0]At the same time, the rain also helps break up and bring down fresh nutrients from the top of the soil. In this way, there is never any build-up of toxic wastes to prevent the normal function of the roots, and they get fresh air, water and nutrients with each rain. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have to find a way to bring conditions in line with what is going on out in nature. Inside the pot, the fertilizers and plant wastes have no place to go, and become concentrated in the bottom, which raises the ph to toxic levels. This causes what is known as nutrient lock and the plant can't get any nutes. It's important to flush on a schedule to keep the pH balanced, and remove the wastes excreted by the plant. Expect to need a gallon or two at least for each plant, so bubble the water in advance, and make sure you have enough to do the whole job at once.[/SIZE]
 
blissfest

blissfest

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You should always have some run-off when feeding, and with drip clean I have found that it cleans out old salt build-up in the run-off.

I feed 1/4-1/3 strength every watering, I never give them just plain water, or ever flush. and I pull 8-10 oz plants out of 5 gal. smartpots on a regular basis.

I think flushing a plant with a shitload of plain water stunts them.

Also it doesn't make any sense to starve your prize hog for 2 weeks before slaughter, LOL!
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

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Why don't you just get a soil salt tester if its high flush. Fox farm is junk. I followed their directions and got burned bad. Smokinrav is rite you will need nitrogen during flowering. Big stretch first two weeks. Yellow leaves week 4or5 yellow leaves again week 8 or 10. Big flush at the end.Some will be ok without flushing.Don't give it nitrogen in the late stages. You can buy packs of mycorrhiza fungi at a hydro shop or amazon.This helps break down micro nutrients preventing lockout.
 
ismokealotofpot

ismokealotofpot

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blissfest said:
You should always have some run-off when feeding, and with drip clean I have found that it cleans out old salt build-up in the run-off.

I feed 1/4-1/3 strength every watering, I never give them just plain water, or ever flush. and I pull 8-10 oz plants out of 5 gal. smartpots on a regular basis.

I think flushing a plant with a shitload of plain water stunts them.

Also it doesn't make any sense to starve your prize hog for 2 weeks before slaughter, LOL!
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Out side rite?
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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blissfest said:
I use drip clean from start to finish, and always have some run-off when I water. Plus I feed right up to chop day. Flushing a plant for better taste is just a myth and not needed.

I've heard of ppl doin that..

Never ever flush a plant unless it is sick and fucked up.
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When I was a kid.. This biker dude told me the same exact thing..


Hhhhmmm... There's alot of different perspectives on this subject..
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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ismokealotofpot said:
Why don't you just get a soil salt tester if its high flush. Fox farm is junk. I followed their directions and got burned bad. Smokinrav is rite you will need nitrogen during flowering. Big stretch first two weeks. Yellow leaves week 4or5 yellow leaves again week 8 or 10. Big flush at the end.Some will be ok without flushing.Don't give it nitrogen in the late stages. You can buy packs of mycorrhiza fungi at a hydro shop or amazon.This helps break down micro nutrients preventing lockout.
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Do ya use bag soil from the hydro store or do ya mix your own.. ??

What's your guy's take on ROOT'S ORGANIC soil?
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Buddy Ganga said:
[SIZE=-0] So, you've heard about flushing, but you wonder why, right? Okay, let's paint a picture of what happens in nature to give us a comparison.
In nature, the rain droplets, (formed high in the atmosphere and highly oxygenated ) collect into droplets heavy enough to start falling earthward, and eventually reach the earth where the plant is growing.
The rain soaks the soil surrounding the soil, and releases the oxygen collected during the water droplet's fall.
[/SIZE][SIZE=-0]Gravity continues to pull the water downward through the soil to the watertable, washing all accumulated plant wastes downward with it and away from the roots.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-0] [/SIZE][SIZE=-0]At the same time, the rain also helps break up and bring down fresh nutrients from the top of the soil. In this way, there is never any build-up of toxic wastes to prevent the normal function of the roots, and they get fresh air, water and nutrients with each rain. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have to find a way to bring conditions in line with what is going on out in nature. Inside the pot, the fertilizers and plant wastes have no place to go, and become concentrated in the bottom, which raises the ph to toxic levels. This causes what is known as nutrient lock and the plant can't get any nutes. It's important to flush on a schedule to keep the pH balanced, and remove the wastes excreted by the plant. Expect to need a gallon or two at least for each plant, so bubble the water in advance, and make sure you have enough to do the whole job at once.[/SIZE]
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When I water, quite a bit comes out the sides/bottom...so in a sense it is performing a mini-flush on a regular basis. Flooding plants on soil grows is a medium correction, I just don't understand the rationale of stripping soil of vital nutes etc. unless too many are used to begin with.
 
Jack Harer

Jack Harer

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Lots of good advice here. I see both sides of the fence. I'm an organic grower, so A) I don't worry about salt build up, and B) there is no flushing out organic nutrients. Someone said the only reason in the world to flush would be to flush out excess salts.I totally agree, but if you go truly organic, that becomes a non-issue. Since you can't flush out organic nutrients, you can't stop feeding them before harvest, so that shoots the "nutes make the buds taste bad" theory in the ass, 'cuz there is no better tasting bud than organic bud, and it's full of nutes.
Tattoo (You knucklehead!LOL) you know what I'm getting from all this? You can listen to everyone who knows about flushing,....OR you could just go organic and say fuck all that!!
 
TATTOODETROIT

TATTOODETROIT

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Jack Harer said:
Lots of good advice here. I see both sides of the fence. I'm an organic grower, so A) I don't worry about salt build up, and B) there is no flushing out organic nutrients. Someone said the only reason in the world to flush would be to flush out excess salts.I totally agree, but if you go truly organic, that becomes a non-issue. Since you can't flush out organic nutrients, you can't stop feeding them before harvest, so that shoots the "nutes make the buds taste bad" theory in the ass, 'cuz there is no better tasting bud than organic bud, and it's full of nutes.
Tattoo (You knucklehead!LOL) you know what I'm getting from all this? You can listen to everyone who knows about flushing,....OR you could just go organic and say fuck all that!!
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Hahahahahaaa... Yup yup.. !! =))

TLO Soil Baby.. !! heh heh heh.. Yes I want to go 100% Truly Organic soil.. No nutes.. Just water..

Most the bud I've smoked in my life has been grow 100% Organic.. Best tasting medicine I've ever had the pleasure of smoking..

So my plan was to use Subcool's Super Soil recipe for my 1st grow.. Or keep it really simple an use ROOT'S ORGANIC SOIL and veg & bloom nutes.. Then on my 2nd grow use the Super soil.. That's how I came upon the flushing subject.. LoL.. I was lookin for soil recipes & info on ROOTS Organic soil.. Heh heh heh
 
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