Fixing root rot: Hydroguard v Southern Ag Garden Friendly Fungicide

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

Jypsy Dog said:
It's a Bacterium held in suspension. The remaining 1.15% is a food source and water.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McFarland_standards

Chloride, sulfuric acid, sugar, and water are the majority of the “suspension.”
They can label it that way because it is registered as a fungicide, where Botanicare chose a different labeling route with a more conservative guaranteed minimum analysis.

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

Stink Bug said:
Proprietary or hype to charge more? I'm thinking the latter.

Based on...?
Hydroguard is only 2 cents per gallon to use (mixed).

Stink Bug · Apr 5, 2018

dongle69 said:
Based on...?
Hydroguard is only 2 cents per gallon to use (mixed).

In this industry I always find the term proprietary suspicious.

Cold$moke · Apr 5, 2018

I was wondering what jypsydog was going to say cause i know he runs the Ag

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

Stink Bug said:
In this industry I always find the term proprietary suspicious.

Understandable.
Fortunately, suspicion does not affect product performance.

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

Cold$moke said:
I was wondering what jypsydog was going to say cause i know he runs the Ag

so do I.
hydroguard is 21 for a quart
southern is 18 for a pint

southern is a min of 1x10(10) power of colony forming units per mL per the label of strain D747

anybody know what hydroguard is?

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

rkymtnman said:
southern is a min of 1x10(10) power of colony forming units per mL per the label of strain D747
anybody know what hydroguard is?

Remember those are minimum analysis, not what is actually in the bottle.
They are also using different methods of analysis. Different strain, too.
Mixing each one with water and analyzing under a microscope is quite revealing.

Cold$moke · Apr 5, 2018

rkymtnman said:
so do I.
hydroguard is 21 for a quart
southern is 18 for a pint

southern is a min of 1x10(10) power of colony forming units per mL per the label of strain D747

anybody know what hydroguard is?

I can go check the bottle after a while
Cant remeber if it has a strain designation number though

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

i looked it up:
CBacillus amyloliquefaciens 0.038% contains a minimum of 1.00×10^4 cfu’s / ml

not good with math, but 10^10 is immensely more concentrated than 10^4.

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

Cold$moke said:
I can go check the bottle after a while
Cant remeber if it has a strain designation number though

just checked their site

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

rkymtnman said:
not good with math, but 10^10 is immensely more concentrated than 10^4.

thanks to wiki:

it's 10 thousand vs 10 billion. i think we found our winner: southern ag

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

The biggest difference in the "products" to me is the benefit beyond root health.
The Hydroguard strain will have a positive increase in trichome/resin production, highly pronounced when used at 3-4 ml/gal. I found this out by accidental overdose years ago.
This doesn't happen with any dose of the Southern Ag version.
What is also cool is that you can use a small fraction of the Hydroguard suggested rate to maintain root health in problematic situations.

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

rkymtnman said:
thanks to wiki:

it's 10 thousand vs 10 billion. i think we found our winner: southern ag

You found a winner on wiki. I found one in my garden!
They both work. One works better on paper. One works better in use.
Were your side by side results different from mine?

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

dongle69 said:
You found a winner on wiki. I found one in my garden!
They both work. One works better on paper. One works better in use.
Were your side by side results different from mine?

same bacteria, more concentrated, less needed, cheaper overall. southern ag wins no matter how you argue it.

Cold$moke · Apr 5, 2018

Ill be testing it for myself soon as my hydro gaurd is almost gone

dongle69 · Apr 5, 2018

rkymtnman said:
same bacteria, more concentrated, less needed, cheaper overall. southern ag wins no matter how you argue it.

I didn't argue it, I tested it.
An effective dose of Southern Ag is about 2 cents/gal (.5ml).
A Hydroguard full dose (more effective) is also about 2 cents.

rkymtnman · Apr 5, 2018

dongle69 said:
An effective dose of Southern Ag is about 2 cents/gal (.5ml).
A Hydroguard full dose (more effective) is also about 2 cents.

if you want to buy a watered down version of the same stuff, more power to ya. enjoy!

Jypsy Dog · Apr 5, 2018

dongle69 said:
The biggest difference in the "products" to me is the benefit beyond root health.
The Hydroguard strain will have a positive increase in trichome/resin production, highly pronounced when used at 3-4 ml/gal. I found this out by accidental overdose years ago.
This doesn't happen with any dose of the Southern Ag version.
What is also cool is that you can use a small fraction of the Hydroguard suggested rate to maintain root health in problematic situations.

Prove it.

Jypsy Dog · Apr 5, 2018

Here's AG's answer to Captain Jacks.
https://www.domyown.com/southern-ag-conserve-naturalyte-insect-control-p-2094.html
You need the tuffer shit, Look up "Control." The Forest Service uses it.

Jypsy Dog · Apr 5, 2018

Southern AG @ Work. Last years Armenian Cucumber tank.

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