First Time Shroom Grower PF-Tek

its been a while since I've done any shroom shit besides tripping but now I'm all out and ready to make some more

I've got 2 small trays in the incubator from 3 wbs jars, 2 jars had a small amount of green mold on the top when I took the lid off..I scooped it out

I just pc'ed 10 pints and went ahead and made a liquid culture syringe to try out.
I'll inoculate tomorrow. Maybe 5 with the LC and 5 with a normal spore syringe

good luck bro... you seem to have it down though... i have yet to get one flush

^^To the above post, trichoderma mycelium is white and has an earthy smell to it. Once it sporulates it turns green and there is no way in hell to salvage anything when a trichoderma infestation takes place. Next time don't use an incubator unless your house is below 69F. They'll do fine and definatly don't use an incubator with bulk manure based susbstrates, they can get up to 15-30 degrees more than the outer temperature when colonization is taking place(colonizing mycelium generates its own heat; a process called thermogenesis).

You're better off learning agar and using grains than liquid culture, with a fully colonized grain jar, shoot sterile water into the jar and wait, you can get up to 30 10cc syringes full of 'liquid mycelium'.

Mine just keep on coming. I don't think I need anymore so I'm done inoculating jars for a bit. Is that syringe contaminated JG?

gogrow..keep at it man, itll happen..Ive had my fair share of contams. I wasnt having much luck with the birdseed so this time Ive gone back to the brf

thompson, the jars were colonized, just had about a spoonful of green mold at the top..it never really spread like I have experienced with many jars.
You say dont use an incubator..well I dont have any room in mine for these 10 jars, where would you put them? Ive got a cabinet in the bathroom I dont use, I thought I might put them in there.
I've seen agars but that shit looks a little too scientific for me. Whats wrong with using a liquid culture? Seems like a good way to go to me..but I'm still fairly new to all of this

NewGrowth, I was done fooling with the PC and jars for a while but I've eating and traded away my stash so back to work. Glad to hear you are having good results.
As for the LC being contamed, I dont know..there are definately tiny black specks in the myc. and I've asked here a few times but no one seems to have an answer so only one way to find out I guess..thats why I dont want to shoot all of the jars up with it.

jollygreengiant8 said:

Thompson, the jars were colonized, just had about a spoonful of green mold at the top..it never really spread like I have experienced with many jars.
You say don't use an incubator..well I don't have any room in mine for these 10 jars, where would you put them? Ive got a cabinet in the bathroom I don't use, I thought I might put them in there.
I've seen agars but that shit looks a little too scientific for me. Whats wrong with using a liquid culture? Seems like a good way to go to me..but I'm still fairly new to all of this


A grain size piece of trichoderma that has sporulated is all it takes to completely fuck the jar. Don't be surprised if it doesn't come around and fuck you. Bathrooms and kitchens are the wors place to put them. You can't put them on a shelf in your room in ambient room lighting, light plays no role in colonizing mycelium. MYCOLOGY IS A SCIENTIFIC ART. There's no way of knowing if the liquid culture is contaminated or not since contaminants don't sporulate in water as much, sure you can see bacteria but not trichoderma for the most part, so inoculating spores(which you have no way of knowing they're even contaminated or not without doing some agar tests and isolating healthy mycelium away from contaminants) would be double crossing yourself. Besides a fully colonized qt jar of rye or wbs can be injected with sterile water 2-3 inches above the spawn line and sucked back out to 30 10cc syringes. You can gurantee it's sterile then.

NewGrowth, I was done fooling with the PC and jars for a while but I've eating and traded away my stash so back to work. Glad to hear you are having good results.
As for the LC being contaminated, I don't know..there are definitely tiny black specks in the myc. and I've asked here a few times but no one seems to have an answer so only one way to find out I guess..that's why I don't want to shoot all of the jars up with it.

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Tiny black specs could be spores or a contaminant, only one way of knowing is doing a couple test jars to make sure they fully colonize with healthy mycelium.

Whats up JG gettin some more goin huh, very sweet. I'm playin around with a couple differant things, but obviously I've been pretty happy with the WBS. I am gonna order some of those steralized rye spawn bags though, and give them a try. I've had good success with rye in the past, and it would be a simpler way to do this all then having to PC so much. We'll see, any ways latta man, and get some KS is you get the chance man, I'm on my 4th flush contam free, they just keep coming!! Peace TC

^^So you're going to waste $10-50 on some bags that you have no clue if they're made properly instead of just buying WBS, getting it down RIGHT for less than $20 in all materials? By all means go for it..................................................................................................

Thompson, I don't know who you think you are man, but you have no right to judge my desicions, or actions. And you have to right to be rude to everyone you talk to man. First why would reputable companies sell steralized bags of rye that weren't going to be steralized right? Think about it man. Have you ever tryed said bags? If not then you have no reason to even coment on them man. I'm still trying to get the WBS down pat, I've been having great flushes with it when its been working. But I am also open to trying to things, including things which will save me time and effort! For about 13-17 dollars a bag, depending on where I get them from, and how many I order at once, I don't think that is too bad for 3.5 lbs of rye, that I don't have to fuck with. Just shoot them up and go. I also feel using the spawn bags for the WBS could be a simpler wy to steralize a larger quantity at once with out all the hassle of the jars.

As I have said, I'm trying to get the jas "down Right" as you put it, but so far no one has been able to tell me whats been causeing my problem with the grain getting cooked on the bottom of the jar. If you actually have an answer, then feel free to offer some input, but if your just gonna be negative, and rude, dont bother man. You are a fairly new member to this site and seem to have a whole lot to say in not so nice ways. Its great that you have knowledge and experiance with all this, but polite constructive critisism goes much farther then rudeness. Hope theres no hard feelings man, just speaking my mind. TC

"A grain size piece of trichoderma that has sporulated is all it takes to completely fuck the jar. Don't be surprised if it doesn't come around and fuck you. Bathrooms and kitchens are the wors place to put them. You can't put them on a shelf in your room in ambient room lighting, light plays no role in colonizing mycelium. MYCOLOGY IS A SCIENTIFIC ART. There's no way of knowing if the liquid culture is contaminated or not since contaminants don't sporulate in water as much, sure you can see bacteria but not trichoderma for the most part, so inoculating spores(which you have no way of knowing they're even contaminated or not without doing some agar tests and isolating healthy mycelium away from contaminants) would be double crossing yourself. Besides a fully colonized qt jar of rye or wbs can be injected with sterile water 2-3 inches above the spawn line and sucked back out to 30 10cc syringes. You can gurantee it's sterile then."


You have told me nothing that I didn't already know.
And I don't feel satisfied with your answers to my questions.
I'm not doing agar, I dont have the equipment or knowledge.
I'm doing brf and LC and multispore syringe

It rally bugs me when people get on this site and just start to critisize the way people do things. Personally JG, I think both of us have been doing quite well "Learning" how to grow these, so +rep my friend! lol, if I can.

Thundercat said:

It rally bugs me when people get on this site and just start to critisize the way people do things. Personally JG, I think both of us have been doing quite well "Learning" how to grow these, so +rep my friend! lol, if I can.

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indeed we have my friend
I've eaten more shrooms in the past 3 months than I had ever eaten before
And I've had enough to trade for some dank on a few occasions
I'm happy

2 days in the incubator..might need another day
I had planned on getting these in the FC to make room in the incubator for the jars.
What do you think? case them or wait another day?

Both these guys have helped me out, I'm just cooking whole brown rice and putting it in jars, sterilizing and inocculating with grain transfers. Works fine for me, I also noticed from this last batch of jars I can just cut out any contaminated area and stick it in my FC, they all fruited fine.

So we appreciate input Thompson but there is no need to be rude. Nobody is trying to one up each other. Especially not me with my rice

Well man, I don't know if your still up, or if you cased them or not yet, the times all screwed up, at least on mine. If your still thinking about it I'd say go for it, if not tomorrow will be fine. Thats about when I've been casing mine, the way yours looks. Looks like this last KS flush might be about a 1/4. Still not bad considering its the 4th.

I cased the trays just now and moved the jars into the incubator
back in business

Very sweet man. Is that more B+?

yessir...hoping to get some nice fat prints off this round

I've been thinking about the cyan print from cali I have..need to refresh the memory so I can try to grow those.
I think spring is when you want to start an outdoor bed..gotta get on that
I don't have much faith that I could get those to grow but I'm willing to try and see what happens.

But time is not on my side these days so it tends to make things a little difficult.

jollygreengiant8 said:

I cased the trays just now and moved the jars into the incubator
back in business

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Why do you guys put polyfill on your fruiting chambers?

for oxygen exchange so the co2 levels dont get high