Finding A Second Light For My Flowering Room

one last option i forgot to mention earlier:

how about a gavita DE 600/750? on sale now for $380'ish. versus 1 315 SS LEC lights? wouldn't the DE be the better PAR option? or is that not correct?

seems like it would be great for a 3x4 and to run at 120V too.
 
ttystikk said:
Again, I disagree. Four COB LED chips make up that 200W and they can easily be spread around the tent however you like. Four light sources are better than one for lighting a flat surface evenly, any day.

It sounds like you're describing a 1m² footprint. Four CXB3590 chips at 50W apiece would kick ass in there. It would be very close vs 315W CMH and I'd still take the COBs. If the performance wasn't quite what you hoped for, add another 200W setup and that will definitely do the job... FOREVER, since the things won't likely need a chip replacement for ten years or more of continuous use.

@littlejacob isn't this about the size of your tent? Perhaps you can shed some more light on the subject!
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I think they would be close but maybe more like 250-275w of 3590's, watt for watt and with the 3590's, the COBs would win for sure, but we'll have to agree to disagree on 200w vs. 315's until we see someone do it, always up for a challenge but I have some 3070's that I haven't even implemented yet so 3590's are out of the question for a while. Perhaps a practice run like 300w of 3070's against the LEC? ;) Cheers.
 
I've been interested in COB chips for quite some time.. it's just I lack the tools and ability to construct my own unit. Of course there is always room for fault and error with any device, but feel the odds are greater when I am making it myself, lol. I don't really have the money to be wasting at the moment, so I'm trying to stick with a solid solution to efficiently light my 4'x4' (3'9"x4') flowering room.

This bulb has captured my attention ( www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HXOJ1FG ) however, I can't seem to find a reasonably priced ballast to go with it. With that said, I cannot really seem to find a socket to fit it either. The 42" parabolic reflector that I previously linked to on amazon will not fit in my room properly enough.. I'm going to require a 32"-38" parabolic reflector. Ideally, I would like to order this all on amazon for as cheap as possible ($300 or under). I'm nearly considering a paypal donation to someone that can find what I am looking for.. I just don't have the time right now to browser the web for days on end and then be unable to make a decision.
 
JohnCee said:
I've been interested in COB chips for quite some time.. it's just I lack the tools and ability to construct my own unit. Of course there is always room for fault and error with any device, but feel the odds are greater when I am making it myself, lol. I don't really have the money to be wasting at the moment, so I'm trying to stick with a solid solution to efficiently light my 4'x4' (3'9"x4') flowering room.

This bulb has captured my attention ( www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HXOJ1FG ) however, I can't seem to find a reasonably priced ballast to go with it. With that said, I cannot really seem to find a socket to fit it either. The 42" parabolic reflector that I previously linked to on amazon will not fit in my room properly enough.. I'm going to require a 32"-38" parabolic reflector. Ideally, I would like to order this all on amazon for as cheap as possible ($300 or under). I'm nearly considering a paypal donation to someone that can find what I am looking for.. I just don't have the time right now to browser the web for days on end and then be unable to make a decision.
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you can get a plug in ready 315 watt LEC for about $400'ish which uses that bulb that you listed from amazon. it's bulb , reflector and ballast all as one unit.

are you wanting 120V or 240V?
 
rkymtnman said:
you can get a plug in ready 315 watt LEC for about $400'ish which uses that bulb that you listed from amazon. it's bulb , reflector and ballast all as one unit.

are you wanting 120V or 240V?
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Realistically, the 315 watt LEC for $400'ish is out of my price range. I never wanted to exceed $250, but if $50 more dollars will get me to where I can flower 4-5 at once then it's worth the suffrage now, lol. I'm not sure the difference between the two, but I'm assuming standard outlet size in the states in 120v so that would be acceptable.
 
JohnCee said:
Realistically, the 315 watt LEC for $400'ish is out of my price range. I never wanted to exceed $250, but if $50 more dollars will get me to where I can flower 4-5 at once then it's worth the suffrage now, lol. I'm not sure the difference between the two, but I'm assuming standard outlet size in the states in 120v so that would be acceptable.
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The All-Start bulb is $50. It uses a standard MH ballast and has a standard socket. StephenJ linked to a whole setup on the previous page (bulb, ballast and hood) for $180.

Is there a reason the Elite bulb is worth twice the money? (That's something I still don't understand.).
 
az2000 said:
The All-Start bulb is $50. It uses a standard MH ballast and has a standard socket. StephenJ linked to a whole setup on the previous page (bulb, ballast and hood) for $180.

Is there a reason the Elite bulb is worth twice the money? (That's something I still don't understand.).
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To be completely honest with you.. I'm not sure which is better than what. I just want to be able to produce quality bud in a 4x4 room with this.. otherwise it's a waste of money. I'm horrible at making choices myself..
 
If you're on a budget, do one of the All Start configurations which has been suggested. Restrict yourself to a 3x3 space and as you have some spare cash, buy Area51s to fill in and use your full 4x4. That would give you a start toward replacing the CMH with an A51 setup (if you fight heat, need to reduce electricity use.).
 
Lots of options in this thread if you're thinking CMH, as @az2000 said that All-start with a standard ballast/hood is well within your budget. Haven't seen many grows with them but their specs are good for that price range. The best decision is a moving target, at one point you gotta pull the trigger and make the best of it. Any of these bulbs will grow some nice weed and you can afford to add-on/upgrade later, once you get it going well, that add-on/upgrade cycle never really stops :shock:
 
ttystikk said:
Again, I disagree. Four COB LED chips make up that 200W and they can easily be spread around the tent however you like. Four light sources are better than one for lighting a flat surface evenly, any day.

It sounds like you're describing a 1m² footprint. Four CXB3590 chips at 50W apiece would kick ass in there. It would be very close vs 315W CMH and I'd still take the COBs. If the performance wasn't quite what you hoped for, add another 200W setup and that will definitely do the job... FOREVER, since the things won't likely need a chip replacement for ten years or more of continuous use.

@littlejacob isn't this about the size of your tent? Perhaps you can shed some more light on the subject!
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Bonjour
I have to be agree with @ttystikk disagree...lol
I currently have 4 cxb 3590 3500ºk 36V CD on an hlg-185-1400b and cooled by 4 x 10x6.6x1.4 inch hs with a 120mm fan on each over a 3.5x3.5x4.5 feet box...105x105x135cm...no dark spot, no much heat...best grow indoor since 2000! (Organic soil amd amendments! )...end in 3/4 weeks!20151210_184602.jpg20151210_184453.jpg20151206_184836.jpg
beginning of week 5 12/12!
Have a great day★
 
GroErr said:
Lots of options in this thread if you're thinking CMH, as @az2000 said that All-start with a standard ballast/hood is well within your budget. Haven't seen many grows with them but their specs are good for that price range. The best decision is a moving target, at one point you gotta pull the trigger and make the best of it. Any of these bulbs will grow some nice weed and you can afford to add-on/upgrade later, once you get it going well, that add-on/upgrade cycle never really stops :shock:
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While the upgrade cycle never stops, there's often a good reason to spend a little more to get ahead of the curve. This is one of those times, brought to you and me courtesy of COB LED. This is the best currently available technology, it's extremely long lasting and will not be superseded by newer offerings anytime soon. And, it's affordable.

Whatever HID system you buy, you'll be looking at fresh lamps every six months to a year. The manufacturer will say longer, but your yield numbers will tell you the truth. COB LED will save you that hassle and expense, as well as the hidden efficiency loss implicit in an HID lumen depreciation curve; it's only 100% of full lumens the first day, after which it's constantly dropping.
 
Bonjour
Yes and this 100% of 600hps is 34% efficient (34% light...66% heat) and only 25% of the bulb hit the canopy the rest is reflected and loose in the best case only 10%...!
My cxb 3590 3500ºk 36V cd @1400mA are 56% efficient and all the light only go to the canopy and the spectrum is better...less nutes, healthier, bigger, faster, etc...
Best advice I can give to a friend...buy cxb 3590!
If you do it after this advice I will have a lot of new happy friends!
CU
 
ttystikk said:
While the upgrade cycle never stops, there's often a good reason to spend a little more to get ahead of the curve. This is one of those times, brought to you and me courtesy of COB LED. This is the best currently available technology, it's extremely long lasting and will not be superseded by newer offerings anytime soon. And, it's affordable.

Whatever HID system you buy, you'll be looking at fresh lamps every six months to a year. The manufacturer will say longer, but your yield numbers will tell you the truth. COB LED will save you that hassle and expense, as well as the hidden efficiency loss implicit in an HID lumen depreciation curve; it's only 100% of full lumens the first day, after which it's constantly dropping.
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No doubt it's the most efficient tech out there and a good investment, but you can't get into it for a couple of hundred dollars in a 4x4 so there's room for the lower end, CMH also offers some decent efficiency and longer bulb life compared to hps, not a bad in between tech. There are so many markets and more opening up I think the tech innovation will continue, maybe even faster with a larger market. The more volume the more players and competition will drive it further quick. Not a lot different than the computer market with these COBs, there's so much more they can do by integrating smarter tech controllers, programming options, smaller/cooler chips and the like. Should be interesting to see where it goes.
 
GroErr said:
No doubt it's the most efficient tech out there and a good investment, but you can't get into it for a couple of hundred dollars in a 4x4 so there's room for the lower end, CMH also offers some decent efficiency and longer bulb life compared to hps, not a bad in between tech. There are so many markets and more opening up I think the tech innovation will continue, maybe even faster with a larger market. The more volume the more players and competition will drive it further quick. Not a lot different than the computer market with these COBs, there's so much more they can do by integrating smarter tech controllers, programming options, smaller/cooler chips and the like. Should be interesting to see where it goes.
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I bet you could DIY a 200W 4 chip CXB3590 and driver panel for less than $400. It would blast half that tent or do a reasonable job on the whole thing. Save some money and next year you build another one to go with it and that's the killer setup, no expensive and ultimately incompatible intermediate step required.
 
ttystikk said:
I bet you could DIY a 200W 4 chip CXB3590 and driver panel for less than $400. It would blast half that tent or do a reasonable job on the whole thing. Save some money and next year you build another one to go with it and that's the killer setup, no expensive and ultimately incompatible intermediate step required.
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Specially in the US, you have so many more options and suppliers. I'll likely do a mix, mine's a hobby focus and I like to try different things, keeps it interesting. If I were on a budget or going big, I'd choose the COBs as a longer term investment.
 
GroErr said:
I think they would be close but maybe more like 250-275w of 3590's, watt for watt and with the 3590's, the COBs would win for sure, but we'll have to agree to disagree on 200w vs. 315's until we see someone do it, always up for a challenge but I have some 3070's that I haven't even implemented yet so 3590's are out of the question for a while. Perhaps a practice run like 300w of 3070's against the LEC? ;) Cheers.
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200 watts of 3590 will match a 315 no doubt about it. 315x1.95 is 614.5 PPF. 614.5x.80 for reflector loss is 491.4 PPF to the canopy. 200 watts of 3590 is over 525 after lens loss. Spectrum wise i don't think the 315s are better than 3590 3500k except in the uv department. Time will tell for sure.
 
Stephenj37826 said:
200 watts of 3590 will match a 315 no doubt about it. 315x1.95 is 614.5 PPF. 614.5x.80 for reflector loss is 491.4 PPF to the canopy. 200 watts of 3590 is over 525 after lens loss. Spectrum wise i don't think the 315s are better than 3590 3500k except in the uv department. Time will tell for sure.
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Strictly by the numbers they should be, in practice I don't see it (200w) covering 1 cubic metre which the 315/Sun Systems cover really well. I'd have to see or do a proper side-by-side. I wouldn't have said this a year ago but after seeing what they (315's) can put out I'm skeptical that the 3590's are that much better. But hey, I'd be happy to eat those words if these 3590's are all that :)
 
GroErr said:
Strictly by the numbers they should ce I don't see it (200w) covering 1 cubic metre which the 315/Sun Systems cover really well. I'd have to see or do a proper side-by-side. I wouldn't have said this a year ago but after seeing what they (315's) can put out I'm skeptical that the 3590's are that much better. But hey, I'd be happy to eat those words if these 3590's are all that :)
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Bonjour
I HAVE 4X CXB 3590 @1400mA =200w
OVER A 3.5X3.5.X4.5..105X105X140cm A BIT MORE THAN A SQUARE METER!
But my cxb are on single hs 250x165x35mm so I split the box in 4 and put one at the middle of each quarter!
I plan on 250g...I have 5 plants in 3gl and I am in 29days 12/1220151210_184602.jpg20151210_184453.jpg20151206_184811.jpg20151210_184933.jpg8 in a 4x4 will kick ass...
Have a great day ★
 
I forgot to mention that I vegged 14 plant in 1gl under those @25w to 120w from day 1 to 28 then I put it in 3gl and
9 went in my 4x4 under the f.....g! 600 hps...I have a cheese clone of the same mother in each...so I can compare...every time I open the 4x4 I never know if I have to cry or laugh!?!
It is like I said night and day!
Cmh hps mh it is all hid...now I know cob I can openly say that it is some pieces of shit...a real pita...when I open the 4x4 I investigate every time...I am looking for the 500w I am missing...where are they?...and split the nutes bill by 2 is good for my mood too...!
I come in US for holiday next Xmas so I want friend not enemy here...lol
I will add pics all along for proof!
CU
 
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