Setting up my first grow

Your going to want an extractor per tent.
Think about it. You want different humidity in each, besides pulling out of one will only draw passively out the other and you'll be all over the place. Tents aren't sealed.

Now as to what fan you need, depends on your ambient temps in your basement.
That's your starting point, then your air is going to rise depending on your wattage and your air exchange rate.

What works for you in your basement won't work for some guy in a hot attic ect.

For me a 6" works for an 8x4.. but one 6" can be totally different to another..

I don't see the point in having both COBs and boards in the sense you are wanting.

You'd spend a bunch on cree 3590s for not reason when any pre built bar light is more efficient these days.

But if you want a bit of DIY try looking at grow light Australia 's high cri boards.

I'm assuming you can vent your air ?
If you want to be double sure use both a standard filter and an inline, but you then need to add a bit on your cfm because your increasing the resistance somewhat.
I’m not well versed yet on target humidity differences between flower and veg. I’ll look that up. Figured it would likely be lower in veg, and so wouldn’t hurt the flower room to intake the cooler, lower hum air from veg.

Basement stays cool, around 50-60F through most of the year, maybe 65F max in the summer. Haven’t tested humidity, but I do know that it’s higher than I’m going to want overall, but will also be offset to some degree by increasing the temp of air across the lights and plants.

The point of the COBs and boards is as posted in the original post i.e. deeper penetration, along with good distribution via decreasing the hotspot in the center of the tent by removing the huge lights that sit directly in the center. Also allows me to not have to move the lights up and down, and creates an environment where the plants will grow up into whatever light level they need on their own accord. I can build the COB bars for the same or less as any bar light out there except those that aren’t of sufficient quality anyway. And, efficiency isn’t my only goal. I’ll look up those Australia boards, never heard of em.

I can figure out a way to vent the exhaust out, but my thought was just to vent it to the much larger room next to my grow room, which has far more volume and better ventilation via the house AC. Just dunno if that will work, or if it will cause condensation issues in the adjacent room. I like the double filter idea, I’ve been looking through which type of filter to use. AC Infinity does make a refillable filter, which seemed interesting. Don’t know how applicable being refillable might be, though.

lots to go through, but thank you for the ideas!
 

tree beard

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Not too bad, that seems effective. How do you run your vent outside? With no window in the room, I was hoping to use the AC to remove the heat and return fresh air to the room/passive venting through the door of the room. Dunno if that would actually work...
Yep it works, thats pretty much what I do. What I exhaust out ties in after all the fans/filters then gets piped out through a crawl space through an unfinished part of the basement. Its only about an 18' run tho, basically looks like a dryer vent outside
 
Yep it works, thats pretty much what I do. What I exhaust out ties in after all the fans/filters then gets piped out through a crawl space through an unfinished part of the basement. Its only about an 18' run tho, basically looks like a dryer vent outside
Did you port it through your wall to the outside with one of the dryer vent covers, then? Or, does the air just rise out of the crawl space to the outside? Being honest, I forgot I need to find a way to get the exhaust outside, have been wrapped up in lights for two weeks. Gonna go on a hunt through the basement tonight to figure this out. Think I could port it into my AC system directly.
 

Jakezkittles

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Yeah, sorry, hard to explain what I wanna do in short form. I'll draw up a diagram for easier translation. I have a large dehum for downstairs already, so I'll just roll that into the room. Would you run the dehum in the tent, or just in the room so the intake air is controlled? Thank you for the input!
Setting up my first grow right now. Been studying for years, and was very sold on COB lights a long time ago, but these QB and bar light styles are enticing. I enjoy doing my own DIY stuff, and won't be bothered too much if I have to assemble some of my own stuff. Currently, I'm looking at this for a setup:

Location:
- My basement. Unused room, no windows, but has a return register to my furnace/AC system. External room, so 3 of the walls are concrete/unfinished.
Tents:
- Gorilla 4x4 LITE - Veg/the occasional autoflower
- Gorilla 4x8 LITE w/ 1' height extension - Flower
Climate control:
- Either Mars Hydro Smart Vent or AC Infinity Smart vent systems - 6" fan, dual 6" filters (cannot have smell at all), with the veg and flower tents placed in series hydraulically to vent both with one fan. Thoughts on one vs. the other? Should I go 8" to vent a total volume of 344ft^3? 6" fans are rated for that volume, but with lights and additional flow resistance from the series setup, I feel like I might be riding that line a little hard.
- Should I run a hum/dehum? Should I just wait to see when I get the ladies in there and going, and make a decision then?
Medium:
I'll create my own soil, I have an excellent source of organic compost locally.
Lights -
My options:
- 3x AC Infinity EVO6 500w bar light (1 veg, 2 flower), add UV/IR bars for flower
- 3x Mars Hydro FC-6500EVO 730w (1 veg, 2 flower), add UV/IR bars for flower
- For flower: Custom 10x CXB3590 PRO9 4000K 90CRI 72v @ 700-1400ma (probably 1400, dimmable to get some of that efficiency back) with 60deg. lenses. This gives a total wattage rating of somewhere around 500W @700ma, which I could turn up a bit, if needed. These will be on DIY bars, spaced evenly around the top perimeter of the tent (height of ~6.5-7ft), and only 6-12" from the wall of the tent. From there, I'd like to add in something akin to the Mars Hydro SP6500 to run directly down the center of the area (looking for something more rectangular than square with 500w+, open to ideas), and give nice even light in the center of the tent. I'll run two (hopefully spectrum-controllable) UV/IR bars parallel with the long side of the tent. The idea behind this build would be that the COBs will be fixed at the top of the tent, and give high intensity beams of light to the ground for penetration, while the 301H/B diode light will be used for diffuse light in the center, in an attempt to alleviate hotspots and distribute light evenly across the entire canopy, including the edges of the tent where it seems no one gets great light. This would also allow me to place plants into flower and not have to move lights, as the plants should grow up into the 800-1000+umol area of the tent on their own. Just control the dimming, if required, to achieve results. I really like the new Samsung EVO chips, which are available on several lights. However, with the bar lights, it sounds like you need the lamps very close to the canopy to get the kind of light you need. I'd really like to get some of that hardcore COB beam action going on, and use the bar light style in the center, so there's plenty of penetration and well-dispersed light around the edges of the tent, as well as a central light providing even distribution across the center. For veg, I would either do a custom COB build and add supplements to it (say, 4-6 COBs (4000-5000k), with an HLG QB or similar fixture in the center), or one of the manufactured units with the EVO chips. Definitely interested in the EVO chips for veg, for sure, just dunno if flowering out autos will be worth the time to build out the COB array.

I'd like to get overall feedback on the setup, but if the question of the light would be better posted somewhere else, I can do that.

Thank you, in advance, to all who speak up!
Looks awesome! And I dont know but my vivoson 6 inch filter was too strong for my 4x8. The walls would concave, i had to get a 4inch.
 
Looks awesome! And I dont know but my vivoson 6 inch filter was too strong for my 4x8. The walls would concave, i had to get a 4inch.
Thanks! Luckily, the Gorilla Lite Line comes with the High CFM kit to keep it from going concave like that. I'm figuring I'll just open a vent flap if I need to to keep the tents from going wonky on me. How's the 4" working for ya?
 

tree beard

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Did you port it through your wall to the outside with one of the dryer vent covers, then? Or, does the air just rise out of the crawl space to the outside? Being honest, I forgot I need to find a way to get the exhaust outside, have been wrapped up in lights for two weeks. Gonna go on a hunt through the basement tonight to figure this out. Think I could port it into my AC system directly.
Yep, ran duct through the crawlspace and piped outside through an added vent. Basically looks like a dryer vent
 

HydroKid239

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I've thought about adding 4" intake to the 4x4. Do you think there's just too much leakage around the fittings and things to keep it smell free if I run ducting from one to the next? I've always heard they don't really start to stank until flower, is there a concern for smell from the veg tent?
As @coreywebster said.. you want different humidity levels for veg & flower. If there were no choice because there's only one fan, I'd set the fan to pull directly from the veg tent.. with a flower tent connected, that humidity would pull into the veg tent. That shouldn't be a huge issue. Keeping things smell proof however I think may be the bigger challenge. Going to need a good filter for one. An even better fan, maybe 10-12" to keep negative pressure in both tents without having to keep the fan at full power 24/7, and the connection would have to be sealed up real good.
Good genetics will be nice and smelly in veg for sure, it just get's more potent in flower.
 
As @coreywebster said.. you want different humidity levels for veg & flower. If there were no choice because there's only one fan, I'd set the fan to pull directly from the veg tent.. with a flower tent connected, that humidity would pull into the veg tent. That shouldn't be a huge issue. Keeping things smell proof however I think may be the bigger challenge. Going to need a good filter for one. An even better fan, maybe 10-12" to keep negative pressure in both tents without having to keep the fan at full power 24/7, and the connection would have to be sealed up real good.
Good genetics will be nice and smelly in veg for sure, it just get's more potent in flower.
Good info, didn’t realize I had to worry about veg so much. In which case, I’ll likely setup a dual feed with dual filters, as tree beard mentioned. 4-6” feed from veg, 8-10” feed from flower. Gives me approximately equal extraction surface areas to maintain the appropriate flow rate from the fan. I’ve heard upsizing the filter a stage might help due to headloss through the filter being lower on the larger size i.e. 8” filter on a 6” duct with a reducer. Any testimony to that?
 
Yepper, a 6" holesaw bit, big drill and a steady hand

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Right above the foundation. Seems like that’s where you went. Thanks for that. I have a personal need to make things look nice and clean, so this is just great.

edit: walked it down outside. There’s a brick facade in that area. Think there’d be an issue running it to my garage? It’s a 2-stall, so decent volume and still has reasonable ventilation to the outside.
 

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tree beard

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Right above the foundation. Seems like that’s where you went. Thanks for that. I have a personal need to make things look nice and clean, so this is just great.

edit: walked it down outside. There’s a brick facade in that area. Think there’d be an issue running it to my garage? It’s a 2-stall, so decent volume and still has reasonable ventilation to the outside.
Yep I drilled between the headers, went just above the brick through the wood and siding. I dont see an issue with venting through the garage though, as long as its pumped out of the lung room should be good 2 go
 
Yep I drilled between the headers, went just above the brick through the wood and siding. I dont see an issue with venting through the garage though, as long as its pumped out of the lung room should be good 2 go
Awesome. That’s the way I’m gonna go then. I’ll deal with it later if it becomes an issue. Thanks, again, you’ve been supremely helpful.
 

HydroKid239

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Good info, didn’t realize I had to worry about veg so much. In which case, I’ll likely setup a dual feed with dual filters, as tree beard mentioned. 4-6” feed from veg, 8-10” feed from flower. Gives me approximately equal extraction surface areas to maintain the appropriate flow rate from the fan. I’ve heard upsizing the filter a stage might help due to headloss through the filter being lower on the larger size i.e. 8” filter on a 6” duct with a reducer. Any testimony to that?
I can see 2x 6” ducts going into a splitter with a larger filter on the other end working well enough.
I haven’t set mine up like that, so I wouldn’t be aware of any of the con’s associated with the set up.
 
I can see 2x 6” ducts going into a splitter with a larger filter on the other end working well enough.
I haven’t set mine up like that, so I wouldn’t be aware of any of the con’s associated with the set up.
Fair enough! I'ma hammer on it for a few days here. Whenever I get this mess all sorted out, I'll post some pics to see what people think.
 
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