Fentanyl conversion

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

A friend (really...a friend lol) got his hands on pure 100% powdered Fent. He was about to snort it untill I TOLD HIM HOW STRONG THAT IS. Now I suggested he liquify it and cut it with something safe like lactose.

SO...I was thinking 100mg of fent should be cut with 10gram of lactose. If this is done, how much would be active in 1 gram? I can do the math from there. I actually took it from him and promised to give it back after giving the right answer..I don't trust him alone with it. I am in recovery as some of you know but I WILL NEVER DO FENT. WAYYYYY to scary for me. Seriously...fuck this shit. I just got it in a tuperware thing triple wrapped afraid to go near it untill cut properly XD.

So ya. Someone do that math please

I am trying to it so that it's about 50micrograms in a 100 milligrams (.1 of a gram) since that is about what a bag of dope is and after looking up his usual IV dose (90 mg of oxycodone) the conversion chart says that he should be able to handle 50micrograms.

Please get back ot me on that math. I suck XD. EVEN if you got a different opinion I still need the math and am always open to hear someone esles opinion. For the tihrd time..really..it's not me doing it lol. I jsut want to make that clear before peopel go "oh come on dude really...dont do that shit" lol. I haven't done anything in over 6 months and before that 3 and a half years. I have no desir to at all. ESPECIALLY not with fent... :shock:

P.S. - After liquify and cutting he is going to let dry out and let recrystalise and then more than likley IV it. (knowing him). Also if someon has a better idea for a mucgh vein friendlier cut..please feel free. But doing some research lactose (or aby formula unflavored) is actualyl beleive it or not as safe as it gets for a vein.

aknight3 · Nov 18, 2012

i cant do any math for you but i can only tell you and your friend how really danerous IV fentanyl is, I have buried friends over this stuff. you should remind him of that as well.

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

aknight3 said:
i cant do any math for you but i can only tell you and your friend how really danerous IV fentanyl is, I have buried friends over this stuff. you should remind him of that as well.

Trust me...niether of us are taking this lightly (ESPECIALLY me). I appreciate the concern but that is why I am here to get a diea if the 10gram cut will bring it down to 50mcg or if we need more.

I also have naloxone syringes I plan on giving him. My family kept them around when I was using. Glad I don't need them anymore

...maybe I should stick around when he does this incase he needs help. But 50mcg over an hour is the lowest pharmacutical dose of fent and he shoots 90mgs of oxy at a shot...so I think he'll be fine. To be SAFE tho I am going to have him do a quater at first...then take it form there. He can always get higher if feels he msut...kinda hard to get unhigh tho without naloxone lol.

racerboy71 · Nov 18, 2012

i'd say find mreduck or even cannabineer is great at this kind of stuff, or canndo.. those are my go to peps around here regarding matters of this sort..

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

NEVERMIND -50milligrams cut with 1000 grams = 50micrograms...DUH! Thanks anyway

actually..wait...does that mean its only 50micrograms in a gram then? XD

The goal is 50micrograms per 100milligrams

racerboy71 · Nov 18, 2012

AndrewDeeKing said:
NEVERMIND -50milligrams cut with 1000 grams = 50micrograms...DUH! Thanks anyway

actually..wait...does that mean its only 50micrograms in a gram then? XD

The goal is 50micrograms per 100milligrams

sounds right to me.. but i'm far from an expert, i just dumped shit in the spoon and added water and mixed, lol.. i'm not sure how active fent is at watt levels though i think your math is correct at this point..

hotrodharley · Nov 18, 2012

AndrewDeeKing said:
t...kinda hard to get unhigh tho without naloxone lol.

No it's not. It's called death. How do you know the purity of your base? You're saying 100 mg but I'll guarantee that is not the weight. That is the total milligrams of Fentanyl available. So then why cut it at all? Selling it? If this "guy" is going to foolishly shoot the stuff why doesn't "he" just weigh the stuff and divide from there? There's cheap scales out there that can weigh it precisely down to .001 grams.

MrEDuck · Nov 18, 2012

It's better to just dilute it in liquid. Using lactose is a bitch to get it cut uniformly. Get a hot spot that should have a few hundred mikes and has a few mgs and you won't repeat that mistake, or anything else, ever again. Better to dissolve it to a concentration of say 500ug/mL (I'm assuming he has a hefty tolerance if he's willing to even consider powdered fent) that would be the same as 50mg/mL morphine. Fent is about 80x morphine absolutely, but 100x is a better conversion because there is incomplete cross tolerance that's even more pronounced than normal because fent is very different structurally.
Even with dilution fent is really dangerous. The urge to redose is really strong, it's the crack of the opioids. And you can get to dangerous concentrations as subjective effects can end before its been eliminated from the body.
Fent is bad for recreation and I advise people to steer the fuck clear, there's a wide trail of bodies in its wake and for the survivors the withdrawals are horrible. They're over faster than for dope but are even more intense.

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

hotrodharley said:
No it's not. It's called death. How do you know the purity of your base? You're saying 100 mg but I'll guarantee that is not the weight. That is the total milligrams of Fentanyl available. So then why cut it at all? Selling it? If this "guy" is going to foolishly shoot the stuff why doesn't "he" just weigh the stuff and divide from there? There's cheap scales out there that can weigh it precisely down to .001 grams.

You know what I meant....and stop "" this guy because it really is for a friend -.-. If you are going to be condenseinding I'd appreciate if you jsut take it elsewhere

And the weight is 100milligrams and it was extracted from fentanyl patches and purified so the quality is in the 90+% range.

So snorting (or shooting) .001 would cause a massive death...................................

MrEDuck said:
It's better to just dilute it in liquid. Using lactose is a bitch to get it cut uniformly. Get a hot spot that should have a few hundred mikes and has a few mgs and you won't repeat that mistake, or anything else, ever again. Better to dissolve it to a concentration of say 500ug/mL (I'm assuming he has a hefty tolerance if he's willing to even consider powdered fent) that would be the same as 50mg/mL morphine. Fent is about 80x morphine absolutely, but 100x is a better conversion because there is incomplete cross tolerance that's even more pronounced than normal because fent is very different structurally.
Even with dilution fent is really dangerous. The urge to redose is really strong, it's the crack of the opioids. And you can get to dangerous concentrations as subjective effects can end before its been eliminated from the body.
Fent is bad for recreation and I advise people to steer the fuck clear, there's a wide trail of bodies in its wake and for the survivors the withdrawals are horrible. They're over faster than for dope but are even more intense.

Hmmm so yeah you seem pretty knowledgabel. How much cut would it take to get 100mg down to 50micrograms per 100milligrams (.1 of a gram)??? THAKS! <3 and Ill +rep ya for the help!

budbro18 · Nov 18, 2012

just smoke it! grab some tin foil and a pen hahaha

its worked for me and my friends before we went to an amusement park. we were puking at one point but it was allll good.

MrEDuck · Nov 18, 2012

1mg of fent (0.001g) isn't nessacarily death. For a lightweight yeah, but even a moderate tolerance would probably survive it. They'd just be out for a few hours. This reminds me, fent absorbs through the skin VERY well, if handling a pure or nearly pure powder wear gloves. Touching it can kill you!
100mg=2000x50ug so to cut it like that you would need 2000x100mg= 200000mg= 200g
this is a very bad idea to cut it like that, it will not be uniform and a hotspot will kill the user. Look at the debacle that came from the El Cerebro batch back in '03. There were cases in Chicago were a gang was trying to get the cut right and passed out like ten bags as samples and all ten guinea pigs died. Do not let it dry out!
You want to make 50ug doses dissolve it to be 50ug/mL or 100ug/mL. The only reason I can see to dry it out like that, especially in 100mg quantities is to sell it as dope. In that case that's not suicide that premeditated fucking murder. Especially because you're obviously fucking amateurs to even consider it. Fentanyl makes bodies, lots of bodies! Bodies bring heat, lots of bodies lots of heat! Lots of bodies with fentanyl becomes DEA priority number 1. This is kind of their nightmare scenario. I was just realizing were due for this shit again. Tango and Cash in NYC in the early 90s, El Cerebro in the early 2000s, and now this. DO NOT DO THIS! It seems like a great idea that will bring in a fortune. It might, but it will bring heat you can't imagine.
I read Microgram, I've known forensic chemists, hell at one time I could call a few DEA chemists friends. A rash of fent ODs gets their attention. You might get a little extra time because it'll be fent citrate from a pharm source but they're going to figure it out and hunt you down. It could be a guy dying with a few bags in his pocket, a quick GC of the contents and boom.
You will get caught and go down for murder.

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

budbro18 said:
just smoke it! grab some tin foil and a pen hahaha

its worked for me and my friends before we went to an amusement park. we were puking at one point but it was allll good.

PEOPLE VISITNG HERE, DO NOT FOLLOW THE ABOVE ADVICE. IT IS NOT ALL GOOD

My good sir, what you was smoking was extracted from fentanyl patches, containg 50micrograms per hour. Now cut up into small pieces and smoked (about 50 micrograms is ingested.), it is NOT AS dangerous for someone with a tolerance.

What we are talknig about here is 90+% pure labratory (clandestinley labe made) fent. Meaning that the 50micrograms you smoked, was really probably about 250 milligrams from a dried out patch or lollipop. WITH THIS..50micrograms is FIFTY micrograms. Not 250mg. IDK if you ever seen a microgram, a microgram is a speck of dust and almsot impossible to weigh unless you have a 2000 dollar scale which is why I am here asking how to cut up proper.

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

MrEDuck said:
1mg of fent (0.001g) isn't nessacarily death. For a lightweight yeah, but even a moderate tolerance would probably survive it. They'd just be out for a few hours. This reminds me, fent absorbs through the skin VERY well, if handling a pure or nearly pure powder wear gloves. Touching it can kill you!
100mg=2000x50ug so to cut it like that you would need 2000x100mg= 200000mg= 200g
this is a very bad idea to cut it like that, it will not be uniform and a hotspot will kill the user. Look at the debacle that came from the El Cerebro batch back in '03. There were cases in Chicago were a gang was trying to get the cut right and passed out like ten bags as samples and all ten guinea pigs died. Do not let it dry out!
You want to make 50ug doses dissolve it to be 50ug/mL or 100ug/mL. The only reason I can see to dry it out like that, especially in 100mg quantities is to sell it as dope. In that case that's not suicide that premeditated fucking murder. Especially because you're obviously fucking amateurs to even consider it. Fentanyl makes bodies, lots of bodies! Bodies bring heat, lots of bodies lots of heat! Lots of bodies with fentanyl becomes DEA priority number 1. This is kind of their nightmare scenario. I was just realizing were due for this shit again. Tango and Cash in NYC in the early 90s, El Cerebro in the early 2000s, and now this. DO NOT DO THIS! It seems like a great idea that will bring in a fortune. It might, but it will bring heat you can't imagine.
I read Microgram, I've known forensic chemists, hell at one time I could call a few DEA chemists friends. A rash of fent ODs gets their attention. You might get a little extra time because it'll be fent citrate from a pharm source but they're going to figure it out and hunt you down. It could be a guy dying with a few bags in his pocket, a quick GC of the contents and boom.
You will get caught and go down for murder.

The question of powder was also to share with friends who smoke or snort...take it down a notch. No one is trying to sell fent...

EDIT: I didn't mwant to put the nobody cares one in...I meant the challenge accepted..I jsut can't seem to delete it -.-

BTW: The chicago story is true but you got the detials wrong

http://www.adamhigginbotham.com/Archive/Writing_files/FENTANYL.pdf

That's the story. It was in 06, there was WAY mroe than 10 bags, and it was a 300 deaths in chicago out of god only knowns how many users

I'm not saying anyone should sell the shit...I'm jsut saying...if done under ther right conditions with the appropiate cut (and btw I knew to dissolve it because if cut in powder form you can inhale and die very fast I jsut didn't know if lactose would be better mixed when in liquid form), it would just be some realyl strong stret smack. Now...I wouldn't do it...and it's my firends supply..he can do what he wants. I appreciate you answering my question, but not so much the assumptions and some other parts.

Good day,
Andrew

Anyway, I got the answer I wanted. I wil linstruct my buddy. What he does with it form there is his choice. Although I am staying away from it.

ONE LAST THING: If you do the "siegfreid synthesis"...do not do his cut. He obviously has no idea how to cut it and if you do 100mg with 10grams (as I almsot told my friend to) it would've been VERY bad

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/fentanyl.html

MrEDuck · Nov 18, 2012

Sell it share it doesn't matter, someone dies because of your action. Keep it a liquid and share it in an oral syringe. You can put drops in your nose and it absorbs just fine. Nasal spray is a tried and true way to dose fent. You can drop it onto foil and even boil it and hit the vapor to smoke it. Powder dilution doesn't work well. 100mg in 1.0L gives 100ug/mL, and a quick shake ensures its well homogenized and no one dies.

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

MrEDuck said:
Sell it share it doesn't matter, someone dies because of your action. Keep it a liquid and share it in an oral syringe. You can put drops in your nose and it absorbs just fine. Nasal spray is a tried and true way to dose fent. You can drop it onto foil and even boil it and hit the vapor to smoke it. Powder dilution doesn't work well. 100mg in 1.0L gives 100ug/mL, and a quick shake ensures its well homogenized and no one dies.

Okay so I will inform him liquid is the best idea. Simple water?

cannabineer · Nov 18, 2012

Glycerin. That way there will be no temptation to dry it down. cn

theexpress · Nov 18, 2012

few years back in chicago my hometown hundreds of people were dieing from fentynal laced heroin.... the news people would report which dope spot was selling it and same day junkies would flock to that same dope spot selling hot doses.. under names like get high or die tryin, or last call... lol yall dope feinds are funny to me

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

Glad I got the information. Glycerin isn't that not good to snort or bang? lol

theexpress said:
few years back in chicago my hometown hundreds of people were dieing from fentynal laced heroin.... the news people would report which dope spot was selling it and same day junkies would flock to that same dope spot selling hot doses.. under names like get high or die tryin, or last call... lol yall dope feinds are funny to me

Ignorance is funny to me.

racerboy71 · Nov 18, 2012

theexpress said:
few years back in chicago my hometown hundreds of people were dieing from fentynal laced heroin.... the news people would report which dope spot was selling it and same day junkies would flock to that same dope spot selling hot doses.. under names like get high or die tryin, or last call... lol yall dope feinds are funny to me

i used to get bags named shit like ready to die, really makes you stop and think.. well, at least for about 2 or 3 minutes that is..

AndrewDeeKing · Nov 18, 2012

racerboy71 said:
i used to get bags named shit like ready to die, really makes you stop and think.. well, at least for about 2 or 3 minutes that is..

LOL! I know what you mean..before I got clean I got a bag "Death wish" and I was like "damn thats fucked up..." -pull out syringe XDDD

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