Texas2326
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Awesome, thank you for you time. Really appreciate it.
Feminized seeds & hermies. Do you want to know the truth?
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tyke1973
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Don't Agree,I know reg grown plants can also turn hermie,But Feminized are far more Likely to turn.There is a bigger margin of error with reg plants ,I have Kept Reg grown mothers for years a few for near on 10 year ,A feminized seed is Produced by stressing that female Reg female to produce male Pollen,either by stress caused by something you do to force this in the room,Or Silver,But I have kept Feminized mothers ,and they have been along side reg mothers ,they turn on you, far faster than a reg would.If you look into,Clone Production over seas where its legal ,than most of these clones are from reg grown Mothers,Not Feminized.They have come a long way since when i first started using Fem seeds,They are far more stable more hardy,and less chance of them turning on you has fast.But saying that i would much rather keep a female i have selected from a Bunch of males and females ,pull the males,Grow the females out and keep what one i like best ,But Clone before you flower ,and that 2nd Generation clone would become my mother ,that i can keep for years ,just re cloning and vegging back up after a time.I'm not saying that you can't keep Feminized mothers,I have not done that in years .But saying that i'm in the Process of doing just that with the new feminized seeds i'm doing at the minute..I will have near enough, full Feminized mothers .FLemon Cheese ,Critical Sour Diesel ,Exodus Cheese ,And also Will be doing Blood Orange ,The Tangie Pheno,But that will be a Reg seed .In hopes i can Find that Special Pheno in the few seeds i have of it .
Texas2326
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Wow!!! That’s the kind of detail I am looking for. So if the pollen came from a regular seed that got stressed I would have feminised seeds, otherwise it’s a chance?
Thank you. I’ve got a two plant grow with one light so breeding wasn’t part of my plan. I’m in my second year of horticulture, I can’t imagine not having a plant to work with. Obviously it’s for personal but I really wanted to have something special that no one else had. So since I saw a few nanners I took the pollen off the STARDAWG which ended up smoking really nicely and put it on the bottom bud pistils of my BBCheese, tada!!!
STAR CHEESE. Because my operation is so small I thought it better to ask and see if anyone had the wisdom I am about to pick up as I make this embarkment growing out these seeds.
Thanks again for your time, anything else you could enlighten me with I will appreciate with much respect.
Tyke1973
Thank you. I’ve got a two plant grow with one light so breeding wasn’t part of my plan. I’m in my second year of horticulture, I can’t imagine not having a plant to work with. Obviously it’s for personal but I really wanted to have something special that no one else had. So since I saw a few nanners I took the pollen off the STARDAWG which ended up smoking really nicely and put it on the bottom bud pistils of my BBCheese, tada!!!
STAR CHEESE. Because my operation is so small I thought it better to ask and see if anyone had the wisdom I am about to pick up as I make this embarkment growing out these seeds.
Thanks again for your time, anything else you could enlighten me with I will appreciate with much respect.
Tyke1973
Not "exactly" from a regular seed. I have recently asked the same question here. My situation was all seed were females. One plant from these seeds turn into hermie and ploinated all others including itself. As a result I got 100s of these seeds. I germinated 6 of these seeds for my current grow and all 6 randomly picked up seeds from a container where they were stored turn into females. So far they are on a fifth week of flowering and I cannot see any signs of hermies among them.
Bumping this thread - And per the cannabis breeders bible - 60% of breeding issues are from cleanliness 38% are from growing technique and that leaves only a whopping 2% for issues with actual genetics.
This means. If you think you have 'bad genetics', it is more likely that the batch of seeds from the breeder was tainted in some way shape or form. This could vary run to run from a breeder for example. Regardless, it is important to note that either cleanliness or growing technique would really boil down to stress.
Another important note. According to some sources the reason for many hermaphrodite plants occurring from fem seed, is typically as follows. Even if the plant has (x,x) chromosomes, and it is a female. It still just recently had a 'Male' parent (converted from female in the case of making fem seed, yet still 'Male') In turn, if the seedlings incur any similar stress to that of the 'Male' pollinator (converted from female to make fem seed) this is when they are most likely to express hermaphrodite traits. It is important to note, this would be a result of stress, and not an issue with the genes per se.
Given all of this the question about fem seed or regular seed producing more herm is kind silly the more I think of it. Either way the parent was Male, or converted 'Male' to make pollen. It seems that given the statistics provided by the Cannabis Breeder Bible (not sure of that data source) the issue not reg or fem. at all.
Are we asking the wrong questions? Herm is a trait coded into the plant, outside of the sex chromosome? Right. So if that is the case the question is really how is the epigenetics of environmental stress linked to the herm trait and what are people doing while breeding or growing to create the stress that is creating the reaction of hermaphroditism. It is likely just similar types of stress (pests, pm, environment) that are causing the genetics worked with to herm, or some plants are just more sensitive to certain stress, or maybe some plants have an overactive herm trait that just goes off easy when put under stress. That would not even necessarily be an issue with the genetics of that organism, it just might be the way that it was build differently on that loci point. In other words at the herm loci point there may be a whole board set of 'herm trait diversity' that makes different plants show herm on all sorts of different levels for different reasons. Some plants on the other hand are in fact true female and do not possess any herm trait at that herm trait loci point whatsoever.
Is any of this making sense. I have some more research to do.
This means. If you think you have 'bad genetics', it is more likely that the batch of seeds from the breeder was tainted in some way shape or form. This could vary run to run from a breeder for example. Regardless, it is important to note that either cleanliness or growing technique would really boil down to stress.
Another important note. According to some sources the reason for many hermaphrodite plants occurring from fem seed, is typically as follows. Even if the plant has (x,x) chromosomes, and it is a female. It still just recently had a 'Male' parent (converted from female in the case of making fem seed, yet still 'Male') In turn, if the seedlings incur any similar stress to that of the 'Male' pollinator (converted from female to make fem seed) this is when they are most likely to express hermaphrodite traits. It is important to note, this would be a result of stress, and not an issue with the genes per se.
Given all of this the question about fem seed or regular seed producing more herm is kind silly the more I think of it. Either way the parent was Male, or converted 'Male' to make pollen. It seems that given the statistics provided by the Cannabis Breeder Bible (not sure of that data source) the issue not reg or fem. at all.
Are we asking the wrong questions? Herm is a trait coded into the plant, outside of the sex chromosome? Right. So if that is the case the question is really how is the epigenetics of environmental stress linked to the herm trait and what are people doing while breeding or growing to create the stress that is creating the reaction of hermaphroditism. It is likely just similar types of stress (pests, pm, environment) that are causing the genetics worked with to herm, or some plants are just more sensitive to certain stress, or maybe some plants have an overactive herm trait that just goes off easy when put under stress. That would not even necessarily be an issue with the genetics of that organism, it just might be the way that it was build differently on that loci point. In other words at the herm loci point there may be a whole board set of 'herm trait diversity' that makes different plants show herm on all sorts of different levels for different reasons. Some plants on the other hand are in fact true female and do not possess any herm trait at that herm trait loci point whatsoever.
Is any of this making sense. I have some more research to do.
