Feminized seeds & hermies. Do you want to know the truth?

themanwiththeplan said:

FEMINIZED SEEDS ARE NOT MORE LIKELY TO TURN HERMIE THAN REGULAR SEEDS! PERIOD!

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bLoWsMokE16 said:

All feminized seeds come from turning the plant hermie, therefore the resulting seeds have a herm chromosome. Most will be female and some will be GENETICALLY hermaphrodite.

HOWEVER, It has been my experience that allowing any plant with the herm gene go long enough you will ALWAYS result in NANNERS! (Which is a hermaphrodite dude.... that's why your feminized bud is crumbly, there are tons of little tiny undeveloped seeds JUST starting to grow. That's also why, even though you've flushed the fuck outta your plants your smoke still crackles and pops). BTW noone said these things, I'm making assumptions. And regardless of whether they are correct or not, I will be told I'm wrong by anyone who has grown fem seeds.

I swear this guy once grew hemp and it was terrible, but to this day according to him it was "high grade medical".

No one wants to admit they invested in shit. If You want a fem plant, just harvest a little early, you won't get a complete bouquet but you also won't get nanners, and micro seeds.

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racerboy71 said:

complete and utter non sense.. the only reason a plant goes what you call hermie, is that it was sprayed with a chemical such as collodial siliver, which stops the plant producing ethylene, the hormone needed to produce pistilite, ie, female flowers.. no chemical, no so called hermie plant..
also, spraying a plant with such a chemical does nothing to the dna of the plant, so therefore if the plant was stable to begin with, there's no so called hermie gene to pass on to the offspring.. if the plant was hermie prone before you sprayed it, than yes, of course the offspring will also carry the same traits.. if the parent plant was stable and not likely to hermie, you can spray it all you want, the only thing causing it to stop growing pistils and start growing stamenate flowers is the chemical you're spraying it with..

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bLoWsMokE16 said:

Dude, if the plant is throwing out male nanners ... how is that removing all trace of male genes? You're telling the plant to pollinate itself, which is only possible through hermaphroditism. Cannabis is dioeceous the seeds are created using male and female parts giving the genetics to that seed.... if those male and female parts came from the same plant, those genetics are carried over..... that doesn't mean every seed will be genetically hermaphrodite.

And to be completely honest, there isn't much understood about cannabis when it comes to sexual reproduction, so it's proly a bad idea to fuck with it like this ANYWAY at least until we understand more. There are very few peer reviewed publishings on cannabis period.

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Brick Top said:

While that appears to make total sense, could you explain why when a breeder makes feminized seeds, and regardless of what method they use, they collect the bananas to then pollinate other females rather than just 'turn' a crop of females and let them pollinate themselves and each other?

Experience has taught them that the female plants that were abused, that were stressed, which regardless of if you see it that way or not is precisely what happened to them when whatever method of turning them was used, if used to make seeds will result in a higher percentage of plants from those seeds turning hermie. If what you said is correct, why is that the case? If that wasn't the case wouldn't it make more sense, be quicker, easier, less expensive, faster and more profitable for breeders to turn a crop of females and allow them to pollinate themselves and each other rather than have a second crop of females growing to pollinate using the pollen from the bananas from the crop they turned?






When I began growing in 1972 all we had to grow from was bagseed. In that era and in my area all we had access to was pure landrace sativa strains. If a pure sativa, and I am only talking about a 100% sativa here and not predominantly sativa crosses (and not because I agree with you about them), is more prone to turning hermie why is it in that era hermies were almost totally unheard of, why were they scarcer than hen's teeth? Why was it that many people grew for years and never knew that such a thing as a hermie existed? Why is it that out of what very, very few hermies that did occur most were what I have seen in books being called a natural hermaphrodite where the pollen was sterile, where the pollen would not produce seeds?

And why is it as the years passed and more and more crosses were created that numbers of hermies slowly began climb and why it is that after feminized seeds were released that the numbers of hermies increased and increased considerably and are now to a point where hardly a day doesn't go by on most any grow site where there isn't at least one new thread about someone's crop from feminized seed having one or more hermies?

What you said sounds like it makes perfect sense. But it doesn't match up with how breeders make feminized seeds and why they do it the way they do and it does not match up with what I both experienced and witnessed with others over the last almost 40 years of growing.

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themanwiththeplan said:

I'm really tired of seeing 20,000 threads/posts wondering if feminized seeds are more prone to going hermie than reg seeds or people claiming that fem seeds are prone to going hermie...

heres the truth...for the last time:

FEMINIZED SEEDS ARE NOT MORE LIKELY TO TURN HERMIE THAN REGULAR SEEDS! PERIOD!



Want to know WHY a feminized bean isnt any more likely to turn hermie than regulars?

regular seeds are made from crossing a male (xy) and female (xx) cannabis plant. therefore the offspring can be either xx or xy...correct? yes.

ok.

feminized beans are generally made in a few different ways but lets use the colloidal silver method. say one female plant is sprayed with the CS and bananas grow. pollen sacs burst...either get itself preggo (S1 seeds would result btw) or the pollen from one female treated with CS is used to get another female preggo.

even though the CS was used the plants are still both female (xx)....so xx + xx can't equal xy (male)...

thats not to say you can't have bad genetics that will go hermie. regular beans DO have hermies...not just feminized seeds. generally seeds from a reputable breeder will stay female no matter how much you stress them. generally if you get a hermie from a fem bean its because of a fault in the genetics.

Ive tested this theory by light/nute poisoning a plant from dutch passion for over 30 days. it got extremely stressed but did not show one pollen sac!

So this is just my attempt to put an end to the "do fem seeds go hermie" threads as well as the (no offense) idiots that say, "dont buy fem seeds...you'll just get hermies"

Also sativa or sativa dominant strains DO TEND TO HERMIE MORE OFTEN/EASILY THAN indica or indica dominant strains. that i dont have an explanation for but ive noticed a pattern regardless if those sativas or indicas came from reg or fem beans.

so its completely safe to buy fems or use them along side regs, etc.










can i get a sticky?

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TimBar said:

So your hypothesis was done with ONE TEST? Some genetics are more likely to turn Hermie than other seeds. To me it is all in genetic traits. I have bred many plants and have concluded when you have a feminized seed in the line - it does increase the chance of HERMIE offspring. Example I crossed two regular seeds (Acapulco x Maui) - not seen hermie in any. When I crossed a FEM Acapulco with a Regular Maui - those offspring have hermie traits much more often.

No matter how you turn a female to produce pollen, you are introducing an extreme stressed plant into your genetics. One you forced to Hermaphrodite. Not that it happens ALL THE TIME. What I have found is that it INCREASES the likelihood of herming downstream. In fact the feminized seed offspring handles any kind of stress harder.

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xtsho said:

Most female plants, feminized or regular can develop male parts typically in the form of nanners "male stamens" if you let them grow long enough.

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Kingrow1 said:

Somthing noticed in the bad years in the wild.

With that said it would be handy if it didnt in the good years as we also see.

This makes it a seperate system to the actual sexual genetics.

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xtsho said:

It's a survival trait.

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xtsho said:

It's a survival trait.

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TimBar said:

What did the prostitute say to the Hermaphrodite?

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Jimmy the vest uk said:

I’m fucking sick of hermies, I have had regular genetics turn on me after being absolutely fine for numerous cycles.
I have had a glueberry og feminised plant and taken clone after clone and then fresh mother plant and taken clone after clone of that and no nanners.
I just found nanners on my regular duct tape from archive seeds, I have optimal conditions right now and have put this pheno through some harsh temperatures in the past and nothing no nanners no seeds just seemed like a really resilient plant but now here we go again nanners all round the place.
Why is this feminised glueberry absolutely fine but regular seeds are turning on me over little to no stress.
My opinion is that we need to stick to the old school seed company’s who do things properly.
I have been caught up in the hype of fancy names gelato biscotti sherberts gorilla glue and I’m starting to think it’s a risk buying these new genetics that modern breeders are just putting together overnight.
Who can recommend some seed company’s who do things properly?
I’m thinking Subcool, Dutch passion ?

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Texas2326 said:

Hi people sorry to jump in, not trying change things up but I could use some advice please. So I had some stress on a STARDAWG and she ended up with a few nanners here and there, I took some pollen, pollinated a female BIg Buddha Cheese and now at week 5 she’s got fat buds that looked packed full of seeds. Does anyone think these seeds are worth effort? I’m thinking female-not real herm- pollen on female= female seeds. Am I wrong? Thank you for your time and advice.

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