Fem vs Reg

merkzilla

merkzilla

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So me and a buddy got to talking about the topic of feminized seeds vs regular seeds. He uses only feminized (and he feels like a jackass for it since he knows better), this may be my first serious grow but in the 2 total times I've ordered seeds I've refused to pay extra for 'feminized'.

Bit off topic already, but it seems the market might slowly be turning towards breeders selling only feminized. It seems part of it is convenience for the consumer, but it's also cutting corners a bit. My friend mentioned he had met a botanist who said eventually the market will lean too much towards female seed production where breeders will deal exclusively in female seeds only. I'm sort of seeing his already with some breeders, barneys farm for instance seems to no longer be keeping regular seeds in stock.

I'm a noob and will always be a noob, a lot of the times when I'm searching through threads I see problems that are probably directly related to feminized seeds. I have some science background, and I'm also wondering if it's really all that bright to be self fertilizing in the short and long term.

Getting off track a bit still. But my open question(s) are, if the market really does moves to the extreme of feminized seeds - will we see regular seed prices going for a premium once the trend reverses? Also, is it a good thing that people are reinforcing the creation and sale of feminized seeds by buying them in the short term?
 
Chiggachamp

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I like the idea of fem seeds to be honest. But will i ever buy them? Hell no. I would rather plant 10 seeds and see how lucky i get. Makes growing that much more fun.
I dont think every dist. Will sell only fem seeds. Since alot of em hermi out anyway that would be bad for buissness.

I think fem seeds bring in more of the newb clientel. Cause before i syarted growing i thought anything fem was better then the reg just by the name.
 
merkzilla

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Chiggachamp said:
I like the idea of fem seeds to be honest. But will i ever buy them? Hell no. I would rather plant 10 seeds and see how lucky i get. Makes growing that much more fun.
I dont think every dist. Will sell only fem seeds. Since alot of em hermi out anyway that would be bad for buissness.

I think fem seeds bring in more of the newb clientel. Cause before i syarted growing i thought anything fem was better then the reg just by the name.
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Yeah, I think people just starting are frantic that female plant and there's sort of a bad(?) aura around male plants. I remember before I started doing any real research I always had a sense that A) it was hard to sex and B) a male would be the end of the world. I remember some of the old guides made it sound like you needed to sneak into the tent like a navy seal, throw a bag over the male plant - drive 400 miles away and bury it 6 feet into the ground.

Also the hermies thing. I got these plants as clones from a friend, he'd said that some other ones had hermied on people so I'm assuming they're from fem seeds. It seems less desirable from just that stand point, that at the very end any little stress could trigger balls.
 
svsuv

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I might stick with fem also. I'm limited to 12 plants in veg. I planted 12 seeds and just killed 7 males. I just planted 7 more - will see how it goes.


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weedasaurous

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Fem seeds are defiantly more convenient, BUT if you purchase regulars seed, you could create many seeds of that strain and never have too buy that strain again. You could possibly ever learn to feminize seeds yourself, and save more money. This idea may be flawed but Im just throwing it out there.
 
DSB65

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merkzilla said:
yeah, i think people just starting are frantic that female plant and there's sort of a bad(?) aura around male plants. I remember before i started doing any real research i always had a sense that a) it was hard to sex and b) a male would be the end of the world. I remember some of the old guides made it sound like you needed to sneak into the tent like a navy seal, throw a bag over the male plant - drive 400 miles away and bury it 6 feet into the ground.

Also the hermies thing. I got these plants as clones from a friend, he'd said that some other ones had hermied on people so i'm assuming they're from fem seeds. It seems less desirable from just that stand point, that at the very end any little stress could trigger balls.
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hell i had some regular seeds that all hermied...
 
sleepyindica

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My experience with fem seeds has not been good. I like to let my indica plants go into the later days of the flowering cycle before harvesting for a very heavy medication effect. All of my fem seed females turned hermi, not once but three times in three different gardens with three different breeders and strains. None, of my reg seed females did this. Maybe it is my growing method or just bad luck? I since only use reg seeds and clones, no hermi problems at all. I guess it served as my own little proof of what will work in my setup.
 
merkzilla

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weedasaurous said:
Fem seeds are defiantly more convenient, BUT if you purchase regulars seed, you could create many seeds of that strain and never have too buy that strain again. You could possibly ever learn to feminize seeds yourself, and save more money. This idea may be flawed but Im just throwing it out there.
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Some people do it via light stress to hermie I've seen. You can also use ga-3, and some places sell kits for it. I don't know the ppm they use though, but I do know you can get ga-3 for a lot cheaper from places not specifically selling it for feminizing purposes.
 
dankerous

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Regulars, basically here is a few trade secrets for you guys :D.

A- feminized seeds are ok,but are designed so that any stress such a growing out a mother and cloning her results in a high% chance of hermies,this means you have to go back to the breeders n buy more seeds(its a industry they want your money not to help you unless like subcool they are a real breeder not massive one)
B-No males = no breeding,means you cannot make a life times worth of seeds like you could back in the day,you could breed your own varietys and still can,but seed companies don't want you doing that,they want your cash.
C-the more stable myth, no plant is any more stable than a real female,feminized seeds apparently are more stable,bollocks,you get the same genetics as a regular seed and I would say fems are more prone to outside influences than regs are,different things have an effect on sex and fems seem to go hermie alot more if these things arent kept on top of from seedling to finish.
D-The whole Autos/Fem auto thing is great,if you are a seed company,what better way than to get mugs coming back to them every 8-9 weeks with $50-100 for them,also when you can grow a sativa heavy hybrid from 12/12from seed,doing it in 11-13 weeks,you spend less on electric than on a 8-9 week auto on a 20/4 18/6 light scheduled,So the only reason for breeders to do them,is thats right to get you coming back again n again,as there is no taking cuttings and no breeding unless you are lucky n find a good male,.

Just my 2 cents ;).


Also to the last question, feminized seeds only exist as breeders noticed certain varietys if flowered too long made bananas or male flowers,alot of plants do it to continue the species,and cannabis is a weed after all,also plants do communicate if you remove all the males from a crop some females will compensate in order to continue the species ;)
 
merkzilla

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DSB65 said:
people bitching about seeds being altered ..most food you get now days has been altered...ive never had had problems with fem seeds..
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Yeah, there's rumors of gmo weed, but I don't consider feminizing being it. From a nature standpoint it makes sense, 1 pot plant by itself at the end of harvest going hermie makes sense. If you can't get pollinated this season, try again next?
 
merkzilla

merkzilla

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dankerous said:
Regulars, basically here is a few trade secrets for you guys :D.

A- feminized seeds are ok,but are designed so that any stress such a growing out a mother and cloning her results in a high% chance of hermies,this means you have to go back to the breeders n buy more seeds(its a industry they want your money not to help you unless like subcool they are a real breeder not massive one)
B-No males = no breeding,means you cannot make a life times worth of seeds like you could back in the day,you could breed your own varietys and still can,but seed companies don't want you doing that,they want your cash.
C-the more stable myth, no plant is any more stable than a real female,feminized seeds apparently are more stable,bollocks,you get the same genetics as a regular seed and I would say fems are more prone to outside influences than regs are,different things have an effect on sex and fems seem to go hermie alot more if these things arent kept on top of from seedling to finish.
D-The whole Autos/Fem auto thing is great,if you are a seed company,what better way than to get mugs coming back to them every 8-9 weeks with $50-100 for them,also when you can grow a sativa heavy hybrid from 12/12from seed,doing it in 11-13 weeks,you spend less on electric than on a 8-9 week auto on a 20/4 18/6 light scheduled,So the only reason for breeders to do them,is thats right to get you coming back again n again,as there is no taking cuttings and no breeding unless you are lucky n find a good male,.

Just my 2 cents ;).


Also to the last question, feminized seeds only exist as breeders noticed certain varietys if flowered too long made bananas or male flowers,alot of plants do it to continue the species,and cannabis is a weed after all,also plants do communicate if you remove all the males from a crop some females will compensate in order to continue the species ;)
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I've looked at subcools stuff and I'm impressed because he really does put out the lineage for everyone to see. And all the reasons you put up, I agree.
 
DSB65

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merkzilla said:
i've looked at subcools stuff and i'm impressed because he really does put out the lineage for everyone to see. And all the reasons you put up, i agree.
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of course sub dont like fem seeds....but ill bet he will have some one of these days..i supprised some one else hasn't femed his seeds and started selling them
 
merkzilla

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DSB65 said:
of course sub dont like fem seeds....but ill bet he will have some one of these days..i supprised some one else hasn't femed his seeds and started selling them
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:-o once again DSB, another thing I didn't know. I've looked through his stuff on attitude a few dozen times and never noticed he doesn't carry fems.
 
DSB65

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merkzilla said:
:-o once again dsb, another thing i didn't know. I've looked through his stuff on attitude a few dozen times and never noticed he doesn't carry fems.
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he dont do fem seeds..also hes a pot snob and arrogant fucker..but he has some good strains
 
merkzilla

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DSB65 said:
he dont do fem seeds..also hes a pot snob and a argent fucker..but he has some good strains
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Yeah I'm still strain hunting for the 2nd grow. I keep going to attitude and trying to figure out who's full of less shit, but I might end up going to sannies instead.
 
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