Farmer's market may have troubles...

gladstoned said:

You are so right Bob. A farmer's market would be ok, but the second I tried to organize what day a farmer would come in, or try to have electricity there, the cost of meds would instantly skyrocket. Then I would be mean profiteer making patients pay $1700 an ounce for mid-grade meds. While a dispensary can do all this for fraction on costs. Good points Bob. Farmer's markets would suck.
There are abandoned houses in Detroit that you can go to and slip money into holes in boarded up windows and doors, then someone would hand dope back out after you have paid. I think this would serve as much better distribution model, unless Timmahh fucks this all up and agrees, then you won't want to do that either. We will figure it out.

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Well, lets talk about a Farmers market system....I'm open to the idea to to a degree...where do you want to start? an estimate of how many markets would have to be ongoing state wide to assure daily availability to patients? Can anyone come up with a number?

Corso312 said:

My guess is that Bob does not believe half the shit he types, he has some fucked idea that the feds do read this forum and he will be left alone as the sole legitimate grower who respects their efforts to regulate the rest of the yahoos...guess what Bob, won't happen..whether you like it or not, you are no better than anyone else here.

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Never said I was better than anyone else..just that I try and stay in close compliance to how the law is written..

And I do believe what I write. Oh, I know I have no chance of getting the 4 or 5 hard core anti government, the man is holding me down, diehards to agree with me.....I'm just trying to give the lurkers some realistic points to ponder.

My god..if not for me, anyone reading in this forum would think Michigan has done away with all rules and restrictions...

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yup, just one of the guys.

Timmahh said:

yup, just one of the guys.

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Well..they would.

Don't wanna be "one of the guys'..not looking for a fraternity. I'm looking for an exchange of ideas...not a we all totally agree all the time utopia.

bob harris said:

Well, lets talk about a Farmers market system....I'm open to the idea to to a degree...where do you want to start? an estimate of how many markets would have to be ongoing state wide to assure daily availability to patients? Can anyone come up with a number?

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yes i would love to.

it is the true decider.. the free market.

it will take as many as it takes. and if there are more than necessary or less, i'm sure the market with find the happy medium.

Yeah
What he said.

Eastern Market is the best place in the State to buy a large selection of the best fresh foods.

Sure it would take some regulation, in the form of a clearance from the State, and local acceptance.
Maybe it makes a lot of sense to have testing on site?

The cost to test spread across many users at one market would be less than individual testing.
It would also be more reliable as product could be tagged with a seal coming in the door after clearing testing.
That takes care of tax accounting as well; unless someone requested waivers the amount they bring in is the amount taxed.
This testing area would need to be monitored with cameras, or some such, to document time and product, etc.

It is after the State legislates Dispensaries/Farmers Markets that one would go to the local council(s) and seek approval with a business plan that meets the State law.
The Legislature can write a Dispensary/Farmers Market bill pretty much anyway they want to; witness the first drafts we read as an example.
It makes sense to try and have input for the Farmers Market model while they are crafting the Bills.
It does not make sense to tie any Dispensary/Farmers Market Bills to any sort of Amendment to the MMMAct.
The MMMAct is ours - the Dispensary/ Farmers Market Law(s) will be theirs: the enacters get the spoils I suppose.

So yes - it's more than possible - it also makes more sense than storefront dispensaries for many.
A whole lot of taxpaying cardholers will never step foot in a Dispensary; but they will go down to the Market if it feels safe.

1. the State has hundreds if not thousands of empty, unused, state owned buildings in nearly every county.

I do not see me buying meds out of a state building. Or a state anything for that matter. Any solutions not involving the state. The state cannot even fuck with the problems they already have. They need to be handling less, not more.

Timmahh said:

1. the State has hundreds if not thousands of empty, unused, state owned buildings in nearly every county.

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So..brick and mortar FM's? A minute ago brick and mortar anything invited Feds..but I'm listening..

Plenty of abandoned citizen owned buildings too...doesn't have to be a Government building..to address Glad's concern...please continue..

Sorry, been to enough state buildings for marijuana already.

gladstoned said:

Sorry, been to enough state buildings for marijuana already.

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It could be a privately owned building..plenty of those empty too...I'd like him to keep explaining..i want to know how this would work

Corso312 said:

My guess is that Bob does not believe half the shit he types, he has some fucked idea that the feds do read this forum and he will be left alone as the sole legitimate grower who respects their efforts to regulate the rest of the yahoos...guess what Bob, won't happen..whether you like it or not, you are no better than anyone else here.

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His 'good moral standing' is showing again?
Probably go to heaven too if this works.


Aww - jk Bob - you do make it very easy.

Has it ever occured to you that the only people in Michigan who give a crap about medical marijuana law is the cops, other Leo like Schuette, patients, caregivers, and Dispensary wannabes?

There is NO great uproar or citizen unrest over this program.
You said you drink with cops and they like to brag about fucking people over.
Maybe you should spend some time with non Leo for a while - the rest of the people don't fucking care.

In three years there are probably less than 100 cases of yeehaws with a crapload of plants or weight, and the only ones upset about it was the mmma 2.0 protestors.
Leo like LBrooks take this shit and say, "See? It's out of control; I got morons who should be at the Waterford Courthouse protesting mine!"
The children might get at it!

I worry a lot more about a guy with Parkinsons handling all this high tech equipment and measuring chemicals and stuff than I do about how the State is going to create taxable marijuana.
I've seen people with Parkinsons who insist on doing it all themself - it's not always a pretty picture.
Sometimes it's just annoying; other times it is downright dangerous.
Are you going to give a guy with Parkinsons a Dispensary License?
What about the children? How can we be sure you won't blow the whole planet up?

My point being of course that you aren't getting any Dispensary license man; so why are you fighting for them to be run by the man?

2. the MMMP (Program) has a surplus of monies from the MMM Registry.
approximate income in Nov 2011 was nearly 11million, while the cost to run the program was close to 4 million, leaving a plus 7 million dollar balance in the black.
(Note: this is one of the Only programs in the States History, that has not only been paid for by the Law which governs it (MMM Act), within the 1st 2 yrs, and by year 3 has generated a surplus 3 times the cost to run, allowing for much more to be done in the field of medical cannabis).
And damn if it wasn't made for, and turned into a Law of the State by the Citizens that cared enough to vote. That is a proud achievement and we should be proud of this fact. Which is why we should be at the minimum, very perturbed in the way this government body has been illegally trying to take the power back. This is a HUGE win for the Citizens of the State, and a Huge Loss for the Corporate Body in charge....

Now, part of today's issue, is Gov Snyder, illegally took the money from the MMMP and moved it to the general fund, which is not what we the people voted for. We voted for a system that can be held accountable, not only for the implementation, and running of, but also a clear checks and balances on the program itself, including the finances. Per the Act, we made MDCH (the Highest Authority in the State for the "Citizens") Accountable. And Per the Peoples Initiative, they still are! But LARA Runs the Program and the State General Fund keeps the money. Their are many issues with this, but the main being the illegal move to LARA, and the pilfering of the funds to the States General Fund.
The Governor does NOT have the authority to usurp a People's Initiative either. A people init, can only be changes (amended) by a 75% vote of both House and Senate, but THEY TOO must make any changes (amendments) with ONLY the peoples intent in mind.

Yes this is a Stinky mess Bill Schuette and Rick Snyder has put us into over the last 2 yrs. The way they have been running government is not how government is allowed to run. And it is up to We the People to hold them accountable.

So this issue needs to be rectified and the entire program, including all of its funding from the registry program, needs to be returned to the sole Authority of the MDCH. Once MDCH has all Authority, and all financial income removed from the State's General Fund, per the illegal action of the Govenor, and returned, then the MMMP will have the funds to continue to implement the program per the act.

Timmahh said:

2. the MMMP (Program) has a surplus of monies from the MMM Registry.

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Really? how much? Have documentation? That money could go to the cause..please tell me more..

gladstoned said:

I do not see me buying meds out of a state building. Or a state anything for that matter. Any solutions not involving the state. The state cannot even fuck with the problems they already have. They need to be handling less, not more.

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well I would love to sell meds out of one of the old state police buildings. just seems to be a karma thing along with a heathy dose of FUCK THE POLICE..

bob harris said:

Really? how much? Have documentation? That money could go to the cause..please tell me more..

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the problem with this..

is the fatc that all the money is in the general fund being spent on whatever they feel like i'm sure..

HomeLessBeans said:

well I would love to sell meds out of one of the old state police buildings. just seems to be a karma thing along with a heathy dose of FUCK THE POLICE..

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here is what i would love to find.

an old bank. use the vault for an RSO bank. start a free cancer treatment service for X amount of patient per month and have most of the money/product used for them to come from the donations and door fees, and the fundraisers.

i would like the place to house a farmer's market 3-4 days a week. while on the other days be open for fundraisers, compassion meetings educational activities like growing classes, juicing... omg so much could be done.

i wouldn't mind having a coffee/medible shop on site as well.. but if i recall...


bob.. you are against consuming onsite even if it were on private property?

the state has brought in somewhere around 10 million dollars in this program they have spent about 2 million in the program. The math is pretty easy. The money was used elsewhere.

FatMarty said:

His 'good moral standing' is showing again?
Probably go to heaven too if this works.


Aww - jk Bob - you do make it very easy.

Has it ever occured to you that the only people in Michigan who give a crap about medical marijuana law is the cops, other Leo like Schuette, patients, caregivers, and Dispensary wannabes?

There is NO great uproar or citizen unrest over this program.
You said you drink with cops and they like to brag about fucking people over.
Maybe you should spend some time with non Leo for a while - the rest of the people don't fucking care.

In three years there are probably less than 100 cases of yeehaws with a crapload of plants or weight, and the only ones upset about it was the mmma 2.0 protestors.
Leo like LBrooks take this shit and say, "See? It's out of control; I got morons who should be at the Waterford Courthouse protesting mine!"
The children might get at it!

I worry a lot more about a guy with Parkinsons handling all this high tech equipment and measuring chemicals and stuff than I do about how the State is going to create taxable marijuana.
I've seen people with Parkinsons who insist on doing it all themself - it's not always a pretty picture.
Sometimes it's just annoying; other times it is downright dangerous.
Are you going to give a guy with Parkinsons a Dispensary License?
What about the children? How can we be sure you won't blow the whole planet up?

My point being of course that you aren't getting any Dispensary license man; so why are you fighting for them to be run by the man?

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Handling high tech equipment and measuring chemicals? what are you talking about?
I don't drink. I said I've smoked cannabis with cops...but then, accuracy is not your goal. I have plenty of regular working class friends too..and I do discuss these topics with them
Never said that distribution needs to be run "by the man"...just that they need some sort of regulation...like keeping books and paying taxes.

Why can't you debate simple topics, without having to run behind you false statement?

tomcatjones said:

here is what i would love to find.

an old bank. use the vault for an RSO bank. start a free cancer treatment service for X amount of patient per month and have most of the money/product used for them to come from the donations and door fees, and the fundraisers.

i would like the place to house a farmer's market 3-4 days a week. while on the other days be open for fundraisers, compassion meetings educational activities like growing classes, juicing... omg so much could be done.

i wouldn't mind having a coffee/medible shop on site as well.. but if i recall...


bob.. you are against consuming onsite even if it were on private property?

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Yes..I am. Only because it has the appearance of impropriety. The pharmacy doesn't have a social room, where I can sit with the other patients and discuss my painkillers,amphetamines, or other prescription drugs.

Medicating on site belittles the medical aspect..looks like a party to those who choose not to use cannabis. It has the appearance of recreational use.

Hey. pick up your meds and go home. Have people over to your house...Why do you NEED to medicate on site...other than to send a "fuck what people think" message?