EXTREMELY CHEAP NUTES! Don't be fooled by BRANDS! Learn about how cheap it can be!!!

So I forgot what I was doing but I came across this website http://www.kelp4less.com and I looked around for maybe 10 minutes and realized.......I could buy everything I need from this website in soluble powders for a fraction of the cost at buying expensive ass branded products like Advance Nutrient or General Hydro.....You can buy like pounds of Soluble nitrogen and Potash for like $20/LB .......1 pound for $20......you could spend about $100 at this website and have the same amount of nutes in raw form as $500-$1000 in bottles of liquid nutes from companies like AN, GH and many others......I'm sure many people have known this....I just didn't know how easy and cheap it was too find these Ingredients and How easy it is to obtain them....

I am never buying a Humic acid product again after seeing this website.....They sell an 80% humic acid powder....1Lb for $12.....at my local hydro shop NBT sells a 30% humic powder....probably only 8oz for probably $30....Amazing.....Seeing this website just turned my world upside down when it comes to buying nutrients....

Anyone else care to comment on this??

you are absolutely right, its one of the biggest cons ive ever seen , i bought a 2ltr bottle of organic tomatoe feed for 1.99 (british pounds ) and when i compare what is in it with a well known 'special cannabis nutrients' that sell for 14.99 for 1ltre , i kid you not, they are allmost identical. i was wary about using this cheap liquid on my prized plants to start off with , but soon realised it was doing the exact same job as the more expensive stuff .with no bad tastes or anything negative at all.
its all marketing and money making and these companies must of been laughing all the way to the bank , with the recent rise in people growing there own . i would bet my life half of these companys have just re-packaged what they were allready selling for a fraction of the price and targeted cannabis growers specifically .
dont get me wrong , the nutrients that are on the market today are fantastic , but they are well well well over priced for what they are .you are basically paying for a brand name and the fancy plastic bottles .
i know people are going to jump in and say these companies have done years of research etc etc etc to get there product to where it is today , but people have been using fertalisers for plants for many years before the home grown cannabis boom , and there is nothing really new in these latest nutrients , go check it out for yourselves go compare the ingredients on the cheap stuff to the expensive stuff i bet you can hardley find any differences .

dude if that place is legit....

Nitrogen is one thing about what about solid N-P-K ratios and all the Trace minerals required for a healthy plant? 20$ for 1LB is average for any other powder nutrient you find on the market, and its also filled with everything you need for the plant we grow... and designed specifically for that plant. Check out Products like Jacks classic, Maxi Grow, Maxi Bloom and Veg+Bloom if you want a complete all in one nutrient, that gives good results.

Should be able to get most of that from any gardening store..

Don't have to pay for postage and don't look suss having bags and bags of ferts delivered

23$ for a gallon of molasses... half of this stuff on the site is overpriced as it is. I mean some of its good for making organic teas and such sure, but as a base nutrient line in a synthetic system.. i dunno.

polyarcturus said:

dude if that place is legit....

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It's legit and there are many more places like it

CaliMackdaddy said:

Nitrogen is one thing about what about solid N-P-K ratios and all the Trace minerals required for a healthy plant? 20$ for 1LB is average for any other powder nutrient you find on the market, and its also filled with everything you need for the plant we grow... and designed specifically for that plant. Check out Products like Jacks classic, Maxi Grow, Maxi Bloom and Veg+Bloom if you want a complete all in one nutrient, that gives good results.

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Okay yea you spend 20$ for a pound of NPK product or you can spend $60 on all of the elements you need and fine tune your own forumla and then you there have over 3-4 pounds for less than what it cost too buy something like maxi bloom and maxi grow

The bottom line is that it is cheaper to buy the raw material and make your own bases, sometimes almost 500% CHEAPER.

stoned cockatoo said:

Should be able to get most of that from any gardening store..

Don't have to pay for postage and don't look suss having bags and bags of ferts delivered

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No....not at any garden store....even at my local hydro shop all you can get is expensive ass Branded products...also OSH doesn't carry any raw material and they are an orchard supply I don't think anywhere close to me sells this stuff

CaliMackdaddy said:

23$ for a gallon of molasses... half of this stuff on the site is overpriced as it is. I mean some of its good for making organic teas and such sure, but as a base nutrient line in a synthetic system.. i dunno.

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Yea some of the stuff if overpriced but I wouldn't say half...why are you trying to shut my point down....I am simply stating that the raw material on that website like the Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Calcium, Silica, are all MANY MANY times cheaper than branded bottled products....


When you walk into your local hydro shop and grab a bottle of AN about 10% of your money is going toward the material you are actually using and need....the other 90% you are paying for Filtered water, BRAND recognition, Advertising, fancy little art on the front of the bottle that they had to pay a professional artist to make.....

So that is all I am trying to get across....

I got most of the nutes plants need in pill form(made for people) and it works.I got potassium,iron,calcium pills and a whole lot of others that works for me and my plants
and these are cheap over the counter vitamins.It may not compare to the raw materials found on that site but still the same nutrients.

It also depends on if you want to go through the process of doing it all this way. I am not blasting anyone or any nute companies....All I am saying is that if you like learning and experimenting, which I love, then it would be cheaper to get raw material and have fun mixing and experimenting different batches of nurients....If you are Lazy or you dont have the time, or you have the money and would rather just buy a bottle and go then by all means go for it.....but some people that are new into botany and growing plants and pot are all led to believe by these big companies that it is the only way to go. BUY OUR BOTTLES PRODUCTS. They don't tell the buyers that you can go get Organic N, P, and K powders and a fraction of the cost...they would lose a small customer base...

Bottom line and point I am trying to get across, Some people don't search around and don't know that these powders and raw materials are easy to get and easy to make concentrates at the fraction of the cost of bottled nutrients

jpeg666 said:

It also depends on if you want to go through the process of doing it all this way. I am not blasting anyone or any nute companies....All I am saying is that if you like learning and experimenting, which I love, then it would be cheaper to get raw material and have fun mixing and experimenting different batches of nurients....If you are Lazy or you dont have the time, or you have the money and would rather just buy a bottle and go then by all means go for it.....but some people that are new into botany and growing plants and pot are all led to believe by these big companies that it is the only way to go. BUY OUR BOTTLES PRODUCTS. They don't tell the buyers that you can go get Organic N, P, and K powders and a fraction of the cost...they would lose a small customer base...

Bottom line and point I am trying to get across, Some people don't search around and don't know that these powders and raw materials are easy to get and easy to make concentrates at the fraction of the cost of bottled nutrients

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I do search around and currently use Veg+Bloom which is 20$ for 1LB and a solid formula that was researched, im no chemist and i would never put my plants through the trial and error it takes to dial in a nutrient formula, if you want to be really cheap just go with organics and buy the raw minerals required for organic compost teas like lots of other people do instead of designing your own chem nute mix from shit nutes off a website and get the salts from the source. I understand what you mean by the nutes are very cheap as apposed to what the companys sell for but everyone knows that they buy them anyway because they have a reputation for results.

CaliMackdaddy said:

I do search around and currently use Veg+Bloom which is 20$ for 1LB and a solid formula that was researched, im no chemist and i would never put my plants through the trial and error it takes to dial in a nutrient formula, if you want to be really cheap just go with organics and buy the raw minerals required for organic compost teas like lots of other people do instead of designing your own chem nute mix from shit nutes off a website and get the salts from the source. I understand what you mean by the nutes are very cheap as apposed to what the companys sell for but everyone knows that they buy them anyway because they have a reputation for results.

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Understand your point but I think you are wrong when you say EVERYONE knows that....New growers almost know nothing about nutrients thats why they get conned into buying hundreds of dollars of useless crap they don't need for a grow buy sales reps....

jpeg666 said:

Understand your point but I think you are wrong when you say EVERYONE knows that....New growers almost know nothing about nutrients thats why they get conned into buying hundreds of dollars of useless crap they don't need for a grow buy sales reps....

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I wouldnt say conned.. Newbies need to use these nutes AN, GH, Etc. to learn the fundamentals. From there its a matter of IQ that determines how you manage future grows and the experiments.. Im only on my second ever grow (Both Hydroponics) and im just understanding the basics of Nutrients science.. I suspect in a year or two ill be more comfortable experimenting with different products and gaining more knowledge down the road then i would if i started down that road from day one.

OP, I just wanted to give you kudos for posting finds like this. Someone previously said that the cannabis nutrient market is one of the biggest ripoffs, and quite frankly, it really is. I don't even know where to begin. I mean, there are companies who put together some of the weirdest NPK ratio's in their base nutrients, which requires you to buy another one of their thirty to sixty dollar bottle of watered down, overpriced, crap. From a marketing perspective, it is smart because these companies make A LOT of money from this business model.

When it comes to your newb, new, greenhorn, cannabis grower, 9/10 times they haven't yet obtained even a basic level of botany knowledge and instead they learn as they go. The thing is, they fall for this exact thing!!! Instead of buying good nutrients, they fall for gimmick art logos, false statements, and compartmentalized nutrient lineups that have saturated the shelves of hydro stores all over the US.

When I started growing I was not that bad, but looking back I wish I had obtained the knowledge I know now, (it would've saved me some money). I mean, there are nutrients you can buy at Wal Mart or Home Depot that will grow better cannabis than your "best" lineups that cost hundreds of dollars can. A lot of these new growers truly don't take enough time to understand basic Macro, Micro, and secondary nutrients and they are the ones who feed the machine.

Sorry for the rant.
-SB

If i cant get to a point where i feel comfortable mixing my own concoctions down the road ill feel i have failed. But for now im ok with trying different OTC nutes as i learn what works and why.. The prices of some of these nutes makes a person wonder if its cheaper to buy your smoke from a dealer then to grow your own.. So if you cant or dont adjust as you learn then there is little doubt youve only bought in to the hype.

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THANK ME LATER.

smokebros said:

OP, I just wanted to give you kudos for posting finds like this. Someone previously said that the cannabis nutrient market is one of the biggest ripoffs, and quite frankly, it really is. I don't even know where to begin. I mean, there are companies who put together some of the weirdest NPK ratio's in their base nutrients, which requires you to buy another one of their thirty to sixty dollar bottle of watered down, overpriced, crap. From a marketing perspective, it is smart because these companies make A LOT of money from this business model.

When it comes to your newb, new, greenhorn, cannabis grower, 9/10 times they haven't yet obtained even a basic level of botany knowledge and instead they learn as they go. The thing is, they fall for this exact thing!!! Instead of buying good nutrients, they fall for gimmick art logos, false statements, and compartmentalized nutrient lineups that have saturated the shelves of hydro stores all over the US.

When I started growing I was not that bad, but looking back I wish I had obtained the knowledge I know now, (it would've saved me some money). I mean, there are nutrients you can buy at Wal Mart or Home Depot that will grow better cannabis than your "best" lineups that cost hundreds of dollars can. A lot of these new growers truly don't take enough time to understand basic Macro, Micro, and secondary nutrients and they are the ones who feed the machine.

Sorry for the rant.
-SB

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Agreed.....A lot of new growers and greenhorns are minds to be molded and if they aren't wise enough to clear the smoke away themselves they will end up being told wrong information and fall for horrid marketing gimmiks that cost them hundreds and hundreds of dollars....... The products from companies like AN and Cyco might work but they are BS marketing schemes!!! They can easily package their product together and have at minimum 2-3 products that you need to buy instead they Rip their NPK's apart package the rest in different bottles with different micro nutes in each bottle then slap a $30 price tag on each bottle and BAM! They made about $300 on 10 products that could easily be put into 2-3 products and sold for maybe 3-4x less and still at a profit......

This cannabis growing industry is all about making money.....and a lot of people are stoner potheads that buy into and others just don't really care because they make so much money off their crop the price for the nutes is meaningless....

Kind of getting off track here now I am kind of just ranting..... Point is, if you have the time and want to learn....don't buy into expensive companies marketing schemes....Go do some research buy the materials and experiment.....OR!!! if you don't want to experiment I am sure there are people that have already done this and have recipes you can follow and all you need to do is buy the material for a fraction of what Brand companies sell them for and mix to specifications!

This makes me think of the approach people have taken to LED lighting. They try and take a cheaper route because it SEEMS like the same thing, but there are many unseen variables that make the specialty product fine tuned to marijuana work better than something that seems similar. Since this is such a valuable plant to me it seems ok that the food costs a small percentage of the value. One of my plants is worth close to 2 grand and only used 1 or 2 hundred on nutes. just sayin..

100-200 on nutes isn't bad at all. I am speaking of companies like Advance nutrients that takes their product and splits it into 15 different bottles and charges $50 per bottle.... or any company that just rips apart their product and repackages it in separate bottles just to make you think you can customize the system or claims they HAVE TO separate everything. When if you really in fact wanted to customize the product you are using you could spend half of what that company charges for a bottle of 3% silica and buy soluble silica powder that is a way higher % and spend over 50% less for like 200% more product...