radicaldank42
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id order the oine you specifically now cause you cant rely on it staying for a while.
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Dividedsky
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ya for sure, I feel not selling out like crazy like mike once was...peak pandemic was peak for seed sales, definitely has calmed down a bit since then
radicaldank42
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yes but he also has a price drop on things its gonna be 100 from now on rather then 150. which i will says sucks casue i paid 300 for two packs of goudaberry but i am going to buy cherry bang bang. looks absolutley firreeee
iggy097
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Just to jump on this thread I ordered the Power Sherb box (I have a grow journal going). First run in my new setup - autopots, new nutes, new lights. Have 3 Phat Garys, 1 Yaaas Betch, 3 Sherb N Sour and one Sherbadelic going. I think I was having some PH swings and low nutes at first. I dialed in the PH and upped my nutes (megacrop) - but two of the Phat Garys hermed out and had to be culled.
The rest of the tent is fine (so far) Day 21 of flower.
Seems the Phat Gary cannot handle stress at all - I'm hoping the third one comes through.
Herm issues on the first one showed up with balls everywhere on day 11 or 12 of flower. Second one showed up a few days after the first defol/lollipop.
Lots of pics in my journal for anyone that's interested.
This was my first run with EG - I was very excited to get seeds from a respected breeder - and pretty bummed that even a good breeder can be prone to herm issues.
Was just reading on reddit as well
Herm issue with Baker's Dozen crosses : exoticgenetix (reddit.com)
The rest of the tent is fine (so far) Day 21 of flower.
Seems the Phat Gary cannot handle stress at all - I'm hoping the third one comes through.
Herm issues on the first one showed up with balls everywhere on day 11 or 12 of flower. Second one showed up a few days after the first defol/lollipop.
Lots of pics in my journal for anyone that's interested.
This was my first run with EG - I was very excited to get seeds from a respected breeder - and pretty bummed that even a good breeder can be prone to herm issues.
Was just reading on reddit as well
Herm issue with Baker's Dozen crosses : exoticgenetix (reddit.com)
radicaldank42
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The herm gene is tricky I believe its not just from stress.
eastcoastled
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Yes, they are usually obvious, you can’t miss them. They herm right out the gate everywhere. The ones people get pissed about that seeded their room b/c they they had no idea/didn’t catch it….that was grower error/stress for sure.
Runedizzle
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I’ve only grown one strain from this breeder, that being “Guicy G” and I’d have to say I definitely would like to grow more!
radicaldank42
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but can you 100% tell me that it didnt pass genetically. with the spray or not i opinion is that it is passed. plants have been here longer then us and you cant tel me a sprayy will prevent somthing 100%% that a plant has been doing for millions of years as a survival trait. That you cannot. Cause nothings 100%% hence why birth control isn't 100%% but thats my theory.
LeftOurEyes
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STS spray doesn't "prevent" the herm gene from being passed on, it just doesn't add more to the herm trait that is already there when being used. Every one of these plants have the trait to some degree and always will. With breeding you try to minimize it by picking good selections that show the traits less easily and breed them with more compatible strains. Even though they all have the trait, a stable cultivar should not show it unless under a lot of stress. Most breeders today though do not make stable stains and just pollen chuck chasing that hype so you will find a lot of unstable crosses.
radicaldank42
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That's what ive been saying but thats not what im seeing. Research saying its not being passed thru, and that its all related to stress only and nothing else.
But I have been saying that for years.
But I have been saying that for years.
LeftOurEyes
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Normally if there are herms it does come from stress. Indoor growing has a lot of stress that people don't think about too much.
Popular breeders today though are also just cranking out f1 poly-hybrids (many that came from bag seed) and sell them without rigorous testing. They make so much more money this way. I would have to imagine that type of breeding is only making the gene pool massively more unstable and some herms will show up from it regardless of the environment that they grow in.
radicaldank42
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which is why i also preach about keeping a male for the reason to make it more stable or to attempt to acclimate it to the area. but as to its always associated to the grower i wouldnt say that is fully accurate maybe 80% of the time. but i do agree with what youre saying tho that the trait is always there.
LeftOurEyes
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Personally I think this changes a little as the market changes. We are/were in a boom of hype from legalization, but I think as things go on people will start to appreciate worked lines again at some point. For awhile it was just a gold rush for seed producers and they had no incentive to work lines because people bought whatever was hyped. I think homegrowers that have a low plant count though desire very stable strains and the market will accommodate that eventually.
radicaldank42
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which is why i still have seeds from sensi seeds. i got the famed hash plant and big bud seeds. strains that have been bred for years and not messed with. i feel like ther overloading the market with all these crossees so when we want the good crossees they charge em a arm and leg for it
boundybounderson
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I remember Big Bud coming around in the 90s. Never saw a good bag of it.
Hash Plant is legit though.
The worst intersex I've gotten from beans was Mean Gene's Mean Mug. Balls on nearly every seed out of 10 I popped. I re-ran the best clones and got zero balls, but the terps were meh anyway so it didn't stick around. $300/pack with a "worked" pollen donator and nothing to show for it. To my tastes, sifting through packs of F1s is far more fun and rewarding. To each their own of course.
Hash Plant is legit though.
Clones seem to fill that niche. Call it hype, call it the flavor of the day, call it whatever, but the market has proven that a constant churn of new flavors is the dominant force at play. Why? Because you get used to flavors and/or develop a tolerance to the effects and naturally want something new. Are home growers really going to gravitate toward an F8 of something they're already been around the block with? I doubt it.
The worst intersex I've gotten from beans was Mean Gene's Mean Mug. Balls on nearly every seed out of 10 I popped. I re-ran the best clones and got zero balls, but the terps were meh anyway so it didn't stick around. $300/pack with a "worked" pollen donator and nothing to show for it. To my tastes, sifting through packs of F1s is far more fun and rewarding. To each their own of course.
LeftOurEyes
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The market has proven that today, but anything can change with time so who knows where it will go. I see what you are saying about new flavors, but I mean look how saturated the market is with certain strains. I find it hard to say people look for new things when I can find 4 or 5 major breeders litlerally making the exact same crosses as each other all trying to jump on the same wave and they all sell out. When something new does come out everyone tries to copy it and saturates the market with it. I had at one time 6 different strains that looked and smelled like gelato. I agree that people like new things, but right now it looks to me that most consumers are actually chasing the same old thing and not something new. I think fear of missing out is a major driver for sales right now.
I do like to hunt f1s too though btw.
radicaldank42
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i wouldnt say new strains cause other wise seed drops wouldnt be one strain that tagged a bunch, youd be crossing a few strains with a bunch or do controlled pollination with small clones that way with several males. but the market in my opinion is saturated with the main stream stuff like wedding cake, some sort of cookies, gorilla glue, fruity pebbles. etc. and i did i had a friend that his family all they grew was big bud, and it was gnarly sticky nuggs and smelled like pinesole, and got me ripppeedddd. same with hash plants. i want to get lemon hash plant or something along those lines.
eastcoastled
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I don’t think you got the point or are even remotely close to the level of this conversation. The herm trait is probably in every living organism on this planet, including humans if it actually came down to it. No logical human would deny that. No respected member like myself would ever deny that. My point is that if everything in you room is perfect, you would have at least caught the ballsacks that took 2-3 weeks to form. If you didn’t catch that, then your room/tent is as shitty as your growing ability….by that I mean you aren’t putting the effort forward. It’s that simple. If you are a real grower, it’s not going to be a surprise, you are going to catch it immediately. The one that was doing it’s thang for three weeks….thats definitely on you since you didn’t catch it til week five
BeansfromtheGods
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Who's run the Bonkers before?
LemonTree x Cookies n Cream F2
Seeing how much stretch she has and overall profile via flavor
LemonTree x Cookies n Cream F2
Seeing how much stretch she has and overall profile via flavor
His Dosidos 22 is as solid as it come