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slacker140

slacker140

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I mean is it so much to ask that if a vendor isn't going to reserve your seeds if you pay cash to at least post a message about that when choosing cash payment? I've had a different vendor do this as well and it's highly annoying. They even required that I sent tracking and money order payment confirmation through email asap so I requested if they can verify stock before sending payment and they ignored it. Then when I'm out the time and money sent to them the item is not in stock and they wanted me to pick something else even though I had that cash reserved for that strain and they already now had my cash. It's just simply crappy customer service is all.
 
MannyPacs

MannyPacs

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radicaldank42 said:
But why tho over something simple like that. I mean you can't accommodate everyone. Like when a customer comes up for the fith time wanting a free preroll cause they last kept canoeing. Plus virtual cash beats mail in orders cause they had cash in hand to them before you're cash arrived. I understand the complaints 100%%
What other seed banks you gonna tell people to go to.
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It's really not that hard. When someone makes an order you mark it off inventory. If the cash hasn't made it or arrangements haven't been made within a certain time the packs go back up. Accepting people's cash for stuff you don't have is some completely unavoidable ho shit
 
radicaldank42

radicaldank42

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im not disagreeing with you at all. im just saying you cant accommodate every little thing is all im saying. and yes i agree post it on the cite for people to be aware. i understand the points you are saying.
 
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Griffon

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Archive and Inhouse have the same unacceptable issue, it's like a joke. I'm seriously looking for old school Super skunk or chemdog and other to grow REAL FEM untouch by frankenstein or Monsanto.. Barney farm assume that their genetics are just made with no real test, but they cost like 35$-50$, paying 250$ for 100% hermies or high risk of balls NEVER AGAIN for me.
 
radicaldank42

radicaldank42

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Griffon said:
Archive and Inhouse have the same unacceptable issue, it's like a joke. I'm seriously looking for old school Super skunk or chemdog and other to grow REAL FEM untouch by frankenstein or Monsanto.. Barney farm assume that their genetics are just made with no real test, but they cost like 35$-50$, paying 250$ for 100% hermies or high risk of balls NEVER AGAIN for me.
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if youre ordering feminized you take the chance of getting a hermie. cause in order to make feminized seeds you must first make a normal female stress out to hermie and then the surrounding females tha were pollinated from hermie carry the feminized seeds but also the hermie gene. so my advice is dont buy feminized seeds deal with regs.. i understand dealing with males but males arnet so bad for your own persoanl growth and breeding.,
 
Have2

Have2

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radicaldank42 said:
if youre ordering feminized you take the chance of getting a hermie. cause in order to make feminized seeds you must first make a normal female stress out to hermie and then the surrounding females tha were pollinated from hermie carry the feminized seeds but also the hermie gene. so my advice is dont buy feminized seeds deal with regs.. i understand dealing with males but males arnet so bad for your own persoanl growth and breeding.,
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Why do we have to level down and accept the shitty seeds the breeders are rushing to cash out instead of levelling the game up? They are selling feminized seed and ask pretty good money for them. Even if it's for my own growth, can I have seedless buds? As you said, it's for personal growth, I don't have K's to spend on seeds to finally get a plant I'll throw out because seeds are everywhere...

Worst, hard to find regular seeds nowadays, if you want new strain, they always sell fem seeds... They won't share the male to preserve the lineage... So, who's to blame for having hermies? Us? ;)
 
LeftOurEyes

LeftOurEyes

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radicaldank42 said:
cause in order to make feminized seeds you must first make a normal female stress out to hermie and then the surrounding females tha were pollinated from hermie carry the feminized seeds but also the hermie gene.
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I always read in books that when you're reversing plants it is not releasing pollen from stress but from a hormone being blocked. I have not personally had more hermies from fems than from regs. For me it just seems like certain breeders use strains that carry the hermie trait strong and don't care because they love those plants so much or they sell well. Like I've heard Cereal Milk makes crosses that herm easy yet I still see a lot of them because of demand. I am not an expert but I didn't think that the fem part causes so many herms as it is the strains they choose to breed with. A lof of hype strains come from bag seed and that could add to the herm trait for sure.

I think a lot of breeders make fems for a few main reasons. One is a lot of home growers have limited space and keep to their plant limits, so to them planting regular seeds is a waste since half or more could be males.

The second is for the breeders because it is easier to pick the male (pollen donor) in fem seeds. You can just find two strains you love and smash them together. With regs you have to hunt a good male, which is a lot more work seeing as you actually have to grow out a lot of it's seeds to even know what kind of characteristics the males produce. I've had strains that range SO SO SO much in characteristics, so when picking a male you have to really know what traits it'll pass on which will take some time. Don't get me wrong I enjoy regs and still buy them the most, but I certainly understand from a business point where fems seeds is much easier for breeders.

There was also the trend of a lot of breeders that made both fems and regs to charge twice as much for the fems, or just give you half as many fem seeds as regs. This made them twice as much money for their fems so no wonder they prefer those.
 
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oswizzle

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I just recently had to toss like 20+ plants out of 40 ish fem seeds From Sin City at week 3 … few units in the dumpster from untested gear… on the flip side … the non tranny plants look really bomb and looks like a handful of legit keepers to sort through… I prefer to keep fem seeds to 100% R&D and never run them in my main rooms ever again … regular seeds … all day all night
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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radicaldank42 said:
if youre ordering feminized you take the chance of getting a hermie. cause in order to make feminized seeds you must first make a normal female stress out to hermie and then the surrounding females tha were pollinated from hermie carry the feminized seeds but also the hermie gene. so my advice is dont buy feminized seeds deal with regs.. i understand dealing with males but males arnet so bad for your own persoanl growth and breeding.,
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Wrong...

When you use colloidal silver or sts the silver blocks chemicals in the plant that tells plant to produce female flowers so the plant produces male flowers.

It doesn't "pass" a genetic code for hermies.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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LeftOurEyes said:
I always read in books that when you're reversing plants it is not releasing pollen from stress but from a hormone being blocked. I have not personally had more hermies from fems than from regs. For me it just seems like certain breeders use strains that carry the hermie trait strong and don't care because they love those plants so much or they sell well. Like I've heard Cereal Milk makes crosses that herm easy yet I still see a lot of them because of demand. I am not an expert but I didn't think that the fem part causes so many herms as it is the strains they choose to breed with. A lof of hype strains come from bag seed and that could add to the herm trait for sure.

I think a lot of breeders make fems for a few main reasons. One is a lot of home growers have limited space and keep to their plant limits, so to them planting regular seeds is a waste since half or more could be males.

The second is for the breeders because it is easier to pick the male (pollen donor) in fem seeds. You can just find two strains you love and smash them together. With regs you have to hunt a good male, which is a lot more work seeing as you actually have to grow out a lot of it's seeds to even know what kind of characteristics the males produce. I've had strains that range SO SO SO much in characteristics, so when picking a male you have to really know what traits it'll pass on which will take some time. Don't get me wrong I enjoy regs and still buy them the most, but I certainly understand from a business point where fems seeds is much easier for breeders.

There was also the trend of a lot of breeders that made both fems and regs to charge twice as much for the fems, or just give you half as many fem seeds as regs. This made them twice as much money for their fems so no wonder they prefer those.
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It is hormone blocking. Not "stress" and reversing a plant does not make it create more herms.

That's not how it works.

Weird how I mainly run fems but don't see nearly as many herms as it would appear I should... lol
 
radicaldank42

radicaldank42

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Have2 said:
Why do we have to level down and accept the shitty seeds the breeders are rushing to cash out instead of levelling the game up? They are selling feminized seed and ask pretty good money for them. Even if it's for my own growth, can I have seedless buds? As you said, it's for personal growth, I don't have K's to spend on seeds to finally get a plant I'll throw out because seeds are everywhere...

Worst, hard to find regular seeds nowadays, if you want new strain, they always sell fem seeds... They won't share the male to preserve the lineage... So, who's to blame for having hermies? Us? ;)
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i have never had any issue finding regular seeds from breeders that i go through. they will either have both options or one or the other for some selections. but wehen i run fem i always run into a hermie or two from whatever pack from whoever breeder.
 
radicaldank42

radicaldank42

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thenotsoesoteric said:
Wrong...

When you use colloidal silver or sts the silver blocks chemicals in the plant that tells plant to produce female flowers so the plant produces male flowers.

It doesn't "pass" a genetic code for hermies.
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idk i did a few google searches and even read the one on here about it. and to me it seems like the genetic would still get passed down by some degree, not saying it resulting a hermie all the time but it should be passed down somehow. to be able to say that it stops the gene 100%% nothing is 100%%.
 
Aheadatime

Aheadatime

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radicaldank42 said:
but even with those chemicals it should still show up. take 100 seeds and im sure a few will hermie. ones with or withoiut that being used
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You can't pass down external events through genetics like that. It's like saying if you topped a plant, and it produced the hormonal response to grow multiple shoots, then bred that plant, those hormones will show up in offspring in elevated numbers. It just doesn't work like that.

Spraying sts on a plant messes with its hormones temporarily. If you were to spray a plant with sts, flower it out as a "male", reveg it, cut clones, then flower again, it would be female. The hormonal response wears off and the plant reverts to it's original state. You would have to genetically engineer a plant to get it to pass down the genetic coding to go herm.

If what you're saying was the case, then plants sprayed with paclo or any other PGR/plant steroid would produce offspring with crazy growth and yields, which isn't the case.
 
thenotsoesoteric

thenotsoesoteric

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Aheadatime said:
You can't pass down external events through genetics like that. It's like saying if you topped a plant, and it produced the hormonal response to grow multiple shoots, then bred that plant, those hormones will show up in offspring in elevated numbers. It just doesn't work like that.

Spraying sts on a plant messes with its hormones temporarily. If you were to spray a plant with sts, flower it out as a "male", reveg it, cut clones, then flower again, it would be female. The hormonal response wears off and the plant reverts to it's original state. You would have to genetically engineer a plant to get it to pass down the genetic coding to go herm.

If what you're saying was the case, then plants sprayed with paclo or any other PGR/plant steroid would produce offspring with crazy growth and yields, which isn't the case.
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This 100%

Thank you, I totally didn't feel like writing all that out.
 
radicaldank42

radicaldank42

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Aheadatime said:
You can't pass down external events through genetics like that. It's like saying if you topped a plant, and it produced the hormonal response to grow multiple shoots, then bred that plant, those hormones will show up in offspring in elevated numbers. It just doesn't work like that.

Spraying sts on a plant messes with its hormones temporarily. If you were to spray a plant with sts, flower it out as a "male", reveg it, cut clones, then flower again, it would be female. The hormonal response wears off and the plant reverts to it's original state. You would have to genetically engineer a plant to get it to pass down the genetic coding to go herm.

If what you're saying was the case, then plants sprayed with paclo or any other PGR/plant steroid would produce offspring with crazy growth and yields, which isn't the case.
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i mean i guess i get it a little better now but to me still seems like youd have a cance.
 
Aheadatime

Aheadatime

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radicaldank42 said:
i mean i guess i get it a little better now but to me still seems like youd have a cance.
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It's more likely that you're experiencing general instability. Seed companies use hype strains to increase sales. Hype strains contain alot of unstable genetics that are prone to herm. So you cross unstable hype 1 to unstable hype 2, you get a relatively high herm chance. It doesn't have anything to do with the breeding methods, and more to do with the genetics involved in the breeding.

Ocean grown, for example, has a very stable alien rift line. It's not hype though. Vader (the head breeder) once tried to hype it up by crossing it into unstable stuff like cookies and giving out packs to youtube/instagram growers to generate attention. Suddenly, he was having herm issues. Wasn't anything to do with his breeding practices (which have produced stable genetics for years), and everything to do with the fact that he included unstable stuff into his genetic pool.
 
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