Examples of Democratic Party leadership

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Says it right there in that link:

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken waived congressional review, determining that an emergency exists that required the immediate sale to Israel of 155-millimeter artillery shells and related equipment worth $147.5 million.

Presidents were given emergency powers because Congress is not designed to act quickly. If the voters who vote for their representatives in congress don't want a president to have emergency powers that enable them to act quickly and instead want a president to wait months or years for Congress to act, they should vote for representatives who will change the law.

If voters don't like what the president is doing, they should vote him out of office like we did to Trump in 2020. That guy sucked rocks.
 
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DinGrogu

Well-Known Member
Says it right there in that link:

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken waived congressional review, determining that an emergency exists that required the immediate sale to Israel of 155-millimeter artillery shells and related equipment worth $147.5 million.

Presidents were given emergency powers because Congress is not designed to act quickly. If the voters who vote for their representatives in congress don't want a president to have emergency powers that enable them to act quickly and instead want a president to wait months or years for Congress to act, they should vote for representatives who will change the law.

If voters don't like what the president is doing, they should vote him out of office like we did to Trump in 2020. That guy sucked rocks.
Blinken's Biden's puppet.
 

Bagginski

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In my modest opinion, my deduction is some of the populous exist in their personal ideological echo chambers; they may genuinely not expect anyone to state anything other.

They see their actions as 'self-evidently and on the correct side of history.

This populous, (AKA the left) tends to be very arrogant in assuming they are correct, and no debate or providing documentation is required. It’s why they often shut all other counter opinion’s down, rather than, with an open mind, convince other’s with a different ideology, why they are correct.

Its this arrogance that makes them blind to the fact that their actions are often a hindrance to their cause.
The word you keep searching for is POPULACE - the individuals comprising the population.

As in: “an area may be more populous than another, but that tells us nothing about the populace”

populous /pŏp′yə-ləs/

adjective
  1. Containing many people or inhabitants; having a large population.
—-
/pŏp′yə-lĭs/

noun
  1. The general public; the masses.
  2. A population
“BE BEST!”
 

Bagginski

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to be fair, he is talking about a fuckton of people.
W/ respect, no he’s not: he’s talking about the imaginary GOP ‘librul’ that lives in his head

no matter how big they seem on his insides, & even if he *believes* “the left” as a whole fits his pre-scripted imagination, the actual “real-world” numbers of such creatures are very, very small indeed
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
W/ respect, no he’s not: he’s talking about the imaginary GOP ‘librul’ that lives in his head

no matter how big they seem on his insides, & even if he *believes* “the left” as a whole fits his pre-scripted imagination, the actual “real-world” numbers of such creatures are very, very small indeed
I read it otherwise: the people in the echo chamber are not moderate Republicans, but (in his take) Democrats, who are “the left” only by comparison. I could be wrong.

Liberals in the GOP were rendered listed as extinct by the relentless agency (since Bonzo) of Unnatural Selection.
 

doublejj

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Biden administration announces $162 million to expand computer chip factories in Colorado and Oregon

The Biden administration is providing $162 million to Microchip Technology to support the domestic production of computer chips — the second funding announcement tied to a 2022 law designed to revive U.S. semiconductor manufacturing.

The incentives include $90 million to improve a plant in Colorado Springs, Colorado, and $72 million to expand a factory in Gresham, Oregon, the Commerce Department said. The investments would enable Microchip Technology to triple its domestic production and reduce its dependence on foreign factories.
 

Fogdog

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I read it otherwise: the people in the echo chamber are not moderate Republicans, but (in his take) Democrats, who are “the left” only by comparison. I could be wrong.

Liberals in the GOP were rendered listed as extinct by the relentless agency (since Bonzo) of Unnatural Selection.
I agree with Baginski and maybe you do too but just misread his post. From his post, @garybo described liberals as he sees them, which may be part true but also part his own bias and part what he is indoctrinated to believe from right wing media. So let's revisit what one of the few right wingers who posts in this sub forum said.

In my modest opinion, my deduction is some of the populous exist in their personal ideological echo chambers; they may genuinely not expect anyone to state anything other.

They see their actions as 'self-evidently and on the correct side of history.

This populous, (AKA the left) tends to be very arrogant in assuming they are correct, and no debate or providing documentation is required. It’s why they often shut all other counter opinion’s down, rather than, with an open mind, convince other’s with a different ideology, why they are correct.

Its this arrogance that makes them blind to the fact that their actions are often a hindrance to their cause.
First, note the ad hominins in his post:

He dismisses those who disagree with him because they live in an echo chamber and are not able to listen to people like him.
He claims that people who disagree with him "tend" to be arrogant and closed minded -- "shut all other counter opinions down".
He embellishes that claim with "rather than [try to] convince others".

He concludes that "this arrogance makes them blind".


Gary offers no examples of posts or statements to back up his claims, he simply states them as fact without proof. They are made as if they are self-evident.

I don't care if Gary holds these beliefs. They are his own and I appreciate his honesty in stating them. Its helpful to understand where somebody is coming from. However, as Bagginski points out, the way they are laid out, without proof or examples from actual posts or words by the people he's characterizing as "blind", Gary is simply painting with words the "libural" that conforms to his personal image of one.

Never mind the facts, such as:

Never mind that people who say the same about "liburals" as he does, stormed Capitol Building on Jan 6 and searched the building looking for "liburals" like Pelosi and AOC to hang (or worse) along with Mike Pence. Never mind that the man that the GOP is at this moment primed to elect as their nominee is repeating the words of Hitler and threatening to jail the "vermin" who are actually just political opponents. Unlike Trump, his "vermin" enemy were elected into office. Elected into office by, as Gary puts it, "blind" people. Never mind that "blind" people were the ones who reacted strongly against the murder of Black men by police officers. Never mind that "blind" people object to recent court rulings that took away civil rights from women that had been precedent. We aren't blind to that fact, we see it clearly. Never mind that the SCOTUS judges who struck them down justified their action by citing a false history of this country,

Gary's self described "blind" people are too arrogant to see the error of their own ways. Whatever that is. Only Gary can say what that is.

No, we are blind and closed minded toward whatever it is that Garybo thinks we should do. But Garybo doesn't actually say what he supports, he just diminishes liburals because -- ??? To be honest, I don't really understand his argument. We do listen to him and it seems from his post that he is the one who isn't listening.

So, I agree with Bagginski. Garybo was not talking about real people, or liberals, he was talking about Trump's "vermin". Or "liburals as Bagginski put it or blind people as Gary did. I am the "blind" libural", "vermin" that Trump would arrest and put into prison camps without ever having broken a law. Vermin. Not "people" as MAGA sees them. I would hope that at this point, maybe Gary would not want that to happen.
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I agree with Baginski and maybe you do too but just misread his post. From his post, @garybo described liberals as he sees them, which may be part true but also part his own bias and part what he is indoctrinated to believe from right wing media. So let's revisit what one of the few right wingers who posts in this sub forum said.


First, note the ad hominins in his post:

He dismisses those who disagree with him because they live in an echo chamber and are not able to listen to people like him.
He claims that people who disagree with him "tend" to be arrogant and closed minded -- "shut all other counter opinions down".
He embellishes that claim with "rather than [try to] convince others".

He concludes that "this arrogance makes them blind".


Gary offers no examples of posts or statements to back up his claims, he simply states them as fact without proof. They are made as if they are self-evident.

I don't care if Gary holds these beliefs. They are his own and I appreciate his honesty in stating them. Its helpful to understand where somebody is coming from. However, as Bagginski points out, the way they are laid out, without proof or examples from actual posts or words by the people he's characterizing as "blind", Gary is simply painting with words the "libural" that conforms to his personal image of one.

Never mind the facts, such as:

Never mind that people who say the same about "liburals" as he does, stormed Capitol Building on Jan 6 and searched the building looking for "liburals" like Pelosi and AOC to hang (or worse) along with Mike Pence. Never mind that the man that the GOP is at this moment primed to elect as their nominee is repeating the words of Hitler and threatening to jail the "vermin" who are actually just political opponents. Unlike Trump, his "vermin" enemy were elected into office. Elected into office by, as Gary puts it, "blind" people. Never mind that "blind" people were the ones who reacted strongly against the murder of Black men by police officers. And Gary criticized us for doing so. Never mind that "blind" people object to recent court rulings that took away civil rights from women that had been precedent. We aren't blind to that fact, we see it clearly. Never mind that the SCOTUS judges who struck them down justified their action by citing a false history of this country,

Gary's self described "blind" people are too arrogant to see the error of their own ways. Whatever that is. Only Gary can say what that is.

No, we are blind and closed minded toward whatever it is that Garybo thinks we should do. But Garybo doesn't actually say what he supports, he just diminishes liburals because -- ??? To be honest, I don't really understand his argument. We do listen to him and it seems from his post that he is the one who isn't listening.

So, I agree with Bagginski. Garybo was not talking about real people, or liberals, he was talking about Trump's "vermin". Or "liburals as Bagginski put it or blind people as Gary did. I am the "blind" libural", "vermin" that Trump would arrest and put into prison camps without ever having broken a law. Vermin. Not people as MAGA sees them. I would hope that at this point, maybe Gary would not want that to happen.
I think you got closer than I. I did not consider the subhuman/vermin thing. A personal bias.
 

CCGNZ

Well-Known Member
I agree with Baginski and maybe you do too but just misread his post. From his post, @garybo described liberals as he sees them, which may be part true but also part his own bias and part what he is indoctrinated to believe from right wing media. So let's revisit what one of the few right wingers who posts in this sub forum said.


First, note the ad hominins in his post:

He dismisses those who disagree with him because they live in an echo chamber and are not able to listen to people like him.
He claims that people who disagree with him "tend" to be arrogant and closed minded -- "shut all other counter opinions down".
He embellishes that claim with "rather than [try to] convince others".

He concludes that "this arrogance makes them blind".


Gary offers no examples of posts or statements to back up his claims, he simply states them as fact without proof. They are made as if they are self-evident.

I don't care if Gary holds these beliefs. They are his own and I appreciate his honesty in stating them. Its helpful to understand where somebody is coming from. However, as Bagginski points out, the way they are laid out, without proof or examples from actual posts or words by the people he's characterizing as "blind", Gary is simply painting with words the "libural" that conforms to his personal image of one.

Never mind the facts, such as:

Never mind that people who say the same about "liburals" as he does, stormed Capitol Building on Jan 6 and searched the building looking for "liburals" like Pelosi and AOC to hang (or worse) along with Mike Pence. Never mind that the man that the GOP is at this moment primed to elect as their nominee is repeating the words of Hitler and threatening to jail the "vermin" who are actually just political opponents. Unlike Trump, his "vermin" enemy were elected into office. Elected into office by, as Gary puts it, "blind" people. Never mind that "blind" people were the ones who reacted strongly against the murder of Black men by police officers. Never mind that "blind" people object to recent court rulings that took away civil rights from women that had been precedent. We aren't blind to that fact, we see it clearly. Never mind that the SCOTUS judges who struck them down justified their action by citing a false history of this country,

Gary's self described "blind" people are too arrogant to see the error of their own ways. Whatever that is. Only Gary can say what that is.

No, we are blind and closed minded toward whatever it is that Garybo thinks we should do. But Garybo doesn't actually say what he supports, he just diminishes liburals because -- ??? To be honest, I don't really understand his argument. We do listen to him and it seems from his post that he is the one who isn't listening.

So, I agree with Bagginski. Garybo was not talking about real people, or liberals, he was talking about Trump's "vermin". Or "liburals as Bagginski put it or blind people as Gary did. I am the "blind" libural", "vermin" that Trump would arrest and put into prison camps without ever having broken a law. Vermin. Not "people" as MAGA sees them. I would hope that at this point, maybe Gary would not want that to happen.
Don't these people recognize the "norms" that will be established through their backing of this twisted,distorted,self absorbed "man" will pave the way for the extinction of the Freedom and Rights that they violently defend, and that they may also be classified as" vermin "some day if they run afoul of the "movement".
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Don't these people recognize the "norms" that will be established through their backing of this twisted,distorted,self absorbed "man" will pave the way for the extinction of the Freedom and Rights that they violently defend, and that they may also be classified as" vermin "some day if they run afoul of the "movement".
There was a meme a few years back that put it succinctly.

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Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Don't these people recognize the "norms" that will be established through their backing of this twisted,distorted,self absorbed "man" will pave the way for the extinction of the Freedom and Rights that they violently defend, and that they may also be classified as" vermin "some day if they run afoul of the "movement".
This is where it gets complicated. Why do people flock to authoritarian leaders? It's been contemplated ever since Athens was a world power. A lot of books and PhDs have been written that studied this subject since WW2. But also too, the US never has been completely free and so-called civil rights were not enshrined into law until 1967. That was a turning point for the white power movement and when Republican fascism started to develop. If one looks at what the SCOTUS has done recently, we are less free now than we were in the 1970's, Then again people of color are more optimistic about their future than white people are. So maybe what we are dealing with is a white power authoritarian counter revolution against democracy that is running its course.

We live in interesting times. Whatever the near future holds for us is still not known. Will Trump, his MAGA party and the Christofascist movement derail the US experiment with democracy? Or will demographic shift and the vision of a multicultural democracy become the norm? Whatever happens, the current situation is not stable and some things are going to have to be settled, whether its at the ballot box or on the street but probably both.
 
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