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danksmoker77 said:

Hi all fellow scroggers!!! I am also a first time scrogger as well as a first time grower. I have put in hours upon hours of research before I even thought about planting a seed. I too decided scrog was the best method in growing. I would like to express the importance of early training to achieve a full, even, scrog. Early training is as simple as tieing down the top of the plant to prevent it from growing vertically. For a newb trying to understand this it might be overwhelming. Here are a few pics of my early training methods that enabled me to scrog quite easily.

All I did was tie the tops down by drilling holes around the rim of my buckets and tieing them down with some small soft rope. I am very excited to see how they turn out. Her is a current pic of my screen at day 1 of 12/12.

This is 5 plants and I have about 40 tops filling in my screen. Wow, it should be a heck of a harvest!!!!

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Thanks for your post buddy!
Good info, good shots of the plants. Any questions or comments from you are welcomed. Let us know how things go!

Durbanplaya
"Using a 1m2 screen and a 400w or 600w aircooled light, what yield could be expected? "

1' X 2' screen with 400 OR? 600w....? What strain, what method below the screen (organic in what pot size/DWC/flood drain,areo,etc?) How long a veg time? What percentage of screen are you filling before triggering flowering?

These are the details that help predict harvest. Why dont you give me a list of what your planning, and ill do my best. Srry about the delay in this responce pal!

Grow'N'Smoke said:

Woodsman, what kind of light are you growing under?

- Grow'N'Smoke

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Twin 400's. I move my lights twice weekly in order to improve filling and uniformity.

triniman said:

your lights are way too far they should be like 1 foot away from the tops of the plants with proper ventalation

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My lights move

Thanks for the tip!

"Mine is in it's seconed week of flowering and Im confused to wether I pull and re train the stalks that are sticking up or leave them to grow as they are,
Currently they are about 3" above the screen.. "

If you are switching to 12-12 prior to the fill of your screen, say at 60-70% then you will certianly need to train until filled or the concept becomes a bit lost. I work 2" X 3" Mesh. My rule of thumb is once the top is 3 - 4 inches above the screen it should reach that distance outward to the next hole.

However, if you veg till full, then you are only working the actual scrog for that time being, and the flowering time is spent growing vertically and filling your vertical space with flowering plant. In this case training more or less ends at the switch of flowering. Maintaining however is key. Colas lean, leafs shade, new growth can crowd.

Dont be fooled by the idea that scrog is FOR those who are restricted in space. That idea leads people to believe that scrogging is for small spaces only and unless your constantly buying land, everyone is restricted to some space.... I like to (no mater what size it is) fill it.... I can only do that with scrog, due to PLANT number restrictions....

If you are however, restricted in height as you are, your concern should be a shroud around the bulbs so the colas can reach the light and not be burned before you have a chance to reposition them.

Thundernuts said:

The seeds i will be using are big bang feminized seeds from ghs.Do you still recommend clones,or will seeds do the trick?

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You can certianly scrog seed plants, however its a faster cycle doing the same from clone.

Durbanplaya said:

I believe we are all welcome here Think there's just been a lot of chatter over the last couple days. I saw you pics just before posting mine but forgot all about them after the hassle I had uploading mine

Looks like a nice neat setup, guessing a lot of planning has gone into this? Hope to see some more pics when you get scrogging.

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Thanks for the welcome guys. Yes ive got a lot of planning and $ invested. Got a long ways to go before the scrog begins. Ill be vegging cloning and vegging some more for a couple months. I show you the progress as it comes along.

Jay_normous said:

Wow.. some work you have put in to your room.. looks well built...
Can't wait to see the out come of it all..

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^Don't worry dude, for some reason the time just flies by when planning and building a scrog. Well it did for my first go anyway, think it was the excitement

Woodsman

I filled the screen to about 70% before flipping the lights, topped and fimmed so got 8 tops. Other details on page 22. Veg time was about 4-6 weeks...

Realy keen to see the end result, will have some more pic in a few days.

I always thought of SCROG being the opposite of SOG. SOG=Many plants, single cola SCROG= single plant, many colas.
Where do you get the mesh?

neilsweaky said:

I always thought of SCROG being the opposite of SOG. SOG=Many plants, single cola SCROG= single plant, many colas.
Where do you get the mesh?

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You not the only 1 mate. I only realised the potential of Scrog a couple months ago

The mesh can be bought at most garden centres and then you just build the screen to whatever size you want. I got mine in a roll of 10m x .5m Think they also use a kind of mesh for retainer walls so you might find something suitable at a DIY place.

1badmasonman said:

Thanks for the welcome guys. Yes ive got a lot of planning and $ invested. Got a long ways to go before the scrog begins. Ill be vegging cloning and vegging some more for a couple months. I show you the progress as it comes along.

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Welcome Welcome Welcome,
You certainly are!

I am a bit blind but did see your original post however, twice now I have written you a lengthy message and some how failed to get it posted. My apologies!

Very clean set up. Great choice with the 600's, very efficient. Your room seems a bit big for the foot print of two 600's, will you be moving your lights some how?

Mylar sheeting looks good, It reminds me of a old grow I ran. Had an old friend who was a glass man. He cut and fit mirror for the entire room as you have done with mylar. Looked outrageous!!! Hope you find the same thrills in seeing your garden bloom in your nice new shinny room buddy!. G.L.

Love it! keep us up, we certainly enjoyed your first post, and look forward to seeing your scrog.

Welcome again,
Woodsman~

Durbanplaya said:

It started out as a 20ltr DWC setup but when deciding to switch to scrog I thought I would need to extra root space. Turned out my kitchen bin holds the bucket quite well so cut the bottom off, put it in and made it light tight.

The tape is unfortunately to fix a break. Nothing too serious but more for preventing further damage. So far (touch wood) I've been ok on the bug front.

Was using a 400mh and have just switched to 600hps coolstar, got my light very nice and close

Thanks for the heads up on stress, it's the one thing I'm trying most to avoid.

Peace

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Sounds good. The tape works quite well huh? Its neat that you can break a branch almost in half, tape it back and your good to go.... Glad its not bug tape, thats a bigger problem to have, but like I said before, if you end up using it anyways its a good preventative.

Another guy using 600. Good deal! Good choice. Let us know how you like that light. I think you make a good point with getting it close. Other scroggers should take note of products that help us achieve the goal more easily. A bit of explanation as to how it applies to Scrog would make a nice little review, and a good clinical trial for other scroggers to view. Thanks!

neilsweaky said:

I always thought of SCROG being the opposite of SOG. SOG=Many plants, single cola SCROG= single plant, many colas.
Where do you get the mesh?

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Hello there neilsweaky,

Scrog is a method of growing that is based around a few tried and trued concepts. The ideas used, make the method applicable to many situations and circumstances. This means there is no ONE way of scrog.
I would say the first and most obvious idea that scrog uses, is the creation of an even surface of which to deliver light to (created by the screen). The advantage of having many tops that get equal lighting opportunity becomes evident in SOG however the numbers of plants needed is minimized using Scrog. The next is the concept of filling a given space in order to maximize on production potential. This too can be seen as an advantage in SOG however once again your dealing with larger plant numbers. It may not be considered opposite of SOG in that many of the benefits are the same however, the need for plant numbers is certainly opposite.

Any screen works. Some better than others. Chicken fencing would be as small a mesh size as I could recommend. Can be purchased most anywhere. Im not going to give a plug for any one, Ill simply say that if you cant find it.....Might want to stick with SOG.

for scrog'in I'm curious about wats the best sized plant pots should b used ? B4 everyone jumps the gun n asks wat size growing space I have , i m growin blue mystic seeds, and arura indica beans in a 7' high x 4' wide x 3' deep closet. I'm runnin a150 hps light and a 250w MH light. I'm gettin another 150w hps light from a friend b4 I start germin the seeds. I am using 5gallon buckets for my plant right now but I'm not using the screen of green technique. Any help is much appreciated

DWC scrog unit?

woodsmantoker said:

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Wow.. now thats a scrog grow..
You have such ease of access compared to my grow..
Nice job...

This is just my second post here at rollitup, so please be gentle.

Something that has always seemed odd to me about scrog is the idea that during flowering fan leaves should be displaced, and even cut, so that the light can shine on the buds. But the bud is primarily a reproductive structure and so its surfaces are not likely to be as good at gathering light energy as the leaves surfaces are, so I'd think the more leaves the better.

Also, does the bud really need any light at all? Some say that a shaded bud will result in more stretch, but in as far as stretch is environmentally stimulated, (as opposed to being a matter of genetics), wouldn't it be the light level at the leaves rather than the buds that controls stretch? After all, it's the leaves that have mediated internode length according to light intensity since the plant was a seedling; is there any evidence that the buds share that job during flowering?

I happen to know of some White Russian that is just two weeks into flower and have placed a little opaque hood over one developing bud, leaving nearby buds unshaded. I'm hoping to see if the shaded bud developes less, or is less potent, than the unshaded ones. I know this isn't a high-quality experiment, but hopefully its results will be a little interesting.