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as promised, pics of revised set up and de-leafed biatch!

oh yeah, notice my little helper, my ladybird friend haha

char that's just fun to look at lol!

and welsh, your canopy looks just about perfect now, nj man

Defol can definitely be used to control stretch, or even slow down a plant while others catch up. Good call youknowthekid

anything around to make em stretch a little more??? lol

m3d1c1n3man said:

well the leaves absorb light and contribute it to the bud so i would be hesitant about removing any leaves unless it's just super crowded. you'll notice the plant will actually remove it's own leaves when it sees fit by draining the resources from them and letting them wilt and fall off. i would not want to cut the fan leaf off a large kola site just to expose a smaller one. you can often just move the leaf to expose the kola.

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The huge fan leaves actually draw energy away from the bud at a certain point. I'm talking about those big ones that come directly off the stem. Their job is to create the branch, once the branch has grown the next set of fan leaves is the main source of energy for that branch, and so on. Each leaf helps build the next chute of new growth on the branch. Once a branch is developed the big leaves at the stem become competitors for energy. I just did a ton a research on the matter.

Plucking leaves throughout veg actually boosts your plants immune system and makes it stronger. This is something really good growers have known for a long time-strategically stressing your plant makes is stronger and more vigorous. There are also methods of stressing your plant to boost resin production, promote side brancing, bring out color, etc.

If you train your plants I'm not sure how you would avoid removing leaves-i tuck everything I can but it gets to a point that leaves have to go.

If leaves are overlapping and creating wet spots then they have to go, IMO.

Does anyone do scrog and not remove ANY leaves?

So after taking at least 6 clones from each of my plants this is what they look like. Since I have 9 plants in 3 1/2gal pots the only real training I needed is LST to fill the canopy out. Each plant has 10-18 main tops and I didn't have to stress my plant at all. This is the first time I really used it from the get go and it's given me very managable plants and an even canopy. I should be able to fill my screen pretty quickly. I'll let them heal from all the foliage/cuttings I removed yesterday, thow the screen down, and continue to veg till I fill my screen.

Gorilla glue scrog

Here is the new setup a day before flower starts. Feel free to stop by my grow in the signature.

Squidbilly said:

Does anyone do scrog and not remove ANY leaves?

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I have always removed the leaves below canopy level on my scrog. By way of an experiment, I haven't done any trimming on my current grow. It's four weeks into 12/12 and seems fine at the moment. I'll post the results in another month.

Not trimming under the canopy would make me nervous. Once flower starts everything gets so jammed packed that there would be zero air movement in there. I have dealt with pests in the past and wouldn't want to add mold or PM to that list.

Hot/ Warm + Humid + dim lights = Open Invitation.

Shit, haven't posted a pic of the garden on RIU in a while. Heres the first attempt at a scrog. Frame is 5x8 with 5x4 netted with a 1000w HPS over top, 2 phenos of FCJ, 2 in 5 gal and 2 in 10 gal smart pots. I netted them and flipped them a day later which was sunday 4/27. Here they are today.

I do like the thought of the secondary support.
I have a trellis on standby just in case.

gonna be honest about it too.
I treated with eagle 20
and flormite about the time of switch.
Both are systemics
One for bugs one for pm.
Just couldnt risk infection/infestation.

I allowed more than twice the recomended time for the treatments to exit the plants.

Not a recomendation just an fyi

charface said:

gonna be honest about it too.
I treated with eagle 20
and flormite about the time of switch.
Both are systemics
One for bugs one for pm.
Just couldnt risk infection/infestation.

I allowed more than twice the recomended time for the treatments to exit the plants.

Not a recomendation just an fyi

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It's funny how doing things like this are frowned upon by us stoners while the food we eat and the air we breath on a daily basis is far more dangerous to us then eagle 20 or pesticides/fungicides

I just got tired of home remedies and negotiating with pests.

I'm torn on wether or not to do the same exact thing. This is my first grow in this new location and ontop of that I'm unfamiliar with the strains I'm growing. I always keep some pest control on hand, some Sevin and some Don't Bug Me, as well as mosquito dunks in my waste resevior and my floor drain. I always keep a few sticky traps hanging from my ceiling as well. Ortho Home defense is really good stuff for around windows and doorways, it does a really good job of keeping all sorts of bugs out of the room. I also put a layer of perlite ontop of my coco-wether that actually helps prevent gnats from laying eggs I don't know yet.

its one of those things man both sides have valid arguments. I diddnt make the decision lightly.
I talked to people I trusted listened to the positives and negatives.
I'm not the type to abuse these products knowing the people who will consume helps keep ya honest.
I may test this batch or the next but using it responsibly my gut feeling is that it will pass.
Maybe?

i think neem oil works good for pest problems and it's all natural and safe