Endless Sky My Experience with Endless Sky from Dr Green Thumb

The fact that anybody spends over 200$ (or even over 100 for that matter) for seeds just blows my mind, its obvious its not a "godlike strain" If Endless sky was truely a godlike strain, DrGT would have increased his equilibrium quantity and lowered his price, so that he could sell more and make more profit (plus more testimonials= more good reviews=more people buy it)

Its obvious that ANY and I mean ANY seed strain that someone charges over $200 for is obviously bullshit , they sell a few at a high price, a few fake testimonials here and there, bam $10,000 from a select group of idiots who actually buy it.

Great scam tactic, Ill probably try it one day if I ever get to the reverence of drGT

BUT, it is potent, if you let it go long. It's just not worth all the aggravation overall IMO.

Months later now and this strain was such a disaster, it still bothers me that I wasted my time. I had to give massive refunds too- the complaints never stopped. In hind site, this straw reminds me of some of the crap I grew from Reeferman. Pass on this trash and you'll thank me later....

So its only the Endless Sky that has gone bad correct? I have been looking at some of his other strains.

His other strains are basically wonderful.......... just his E.S. went bad (or worse).

I am always hearing loyal customers of seed breeders bashing growers who have bad experiences with said breeders strains, I'm one who feels that someone who's paid $20 a seed and has had even a little experience should have the right to thier opinion. Unless you loyalists want to pay for their seeds you should shut the fuck up and let someone who feels ripped vent and share their experience as it's my belief that that is what these forums are for, Not for the self righteous - self praised experts to dominate others opinions! So you had great results, I'm glad for you but that only represents a batting average, I've had great and awfull results from the same breeder and the exact same strain so bash that one! Ive been growing for little over forty years now and 'till I die I'll be learning, so humble yourselves a might eh - sorry if I sound a bit harsh but I'm getting kinda grumpy in me old age. Oh and speaking of batting averages the doc hasn't been up to bat enough to have one, every time I've searched Dr.Greenthumbs strains I really don't get that much info, now look up Shanti (Mr.Nice) or BOG and the levy breaks!

very well said bookbinder

Ok so I've finished my first round of Endless Sky with my second in progress. I'm still getting to know the strain but can at least offer an initial impression.

I had 100% germination, very vigorous veg growth of all, cloned well, of course what it does in bloom is what really matters. I think it's a nice strain overall and time will tell it's potential over the next few rounds. My only two complaints so far are: one, none of them are 42 to 45 days as claimed, all were about 60 days, a large discrepancy. Second the calyx to leaf ratio isn't so great and trimming has been a tedious affair, however a few of them have a better ratio than others and those seem to form bigger buds also. Unfortunately I didn't number them for the first or current round so for the third I'll identify who's who and kill of the moms of the bad calyx/leaf ratio ones, so a couple moms should be keepers in the end. I'll report more when it happens. Cheers.

Well, if it's like I suspect- potency will be average (7/10) or below......... most of the cola's are light and airy (not dense). This strain needs to be put out to pasture.

I ran Endless Sky, and wont do it again. It was alright I took 1 3/4 lbs. off 8 plants, but it never did get dense buds and was kinda leafy, pretty good potency. Kind of a pain in the ass all the way around.

Another wonderful review on Endless Sky.......... time to pipe in Dr. ReemThumb shills.

i just got a batch of endless sky from a very experienced grower. although i usually stay away from light fluffy buds, this one changed my mind after smoking it.

attached is a bud picture and a BHO picture

grassified said:

The fact that anybody spends over 200$ (or even over 100 for that matter) for seeds just blows my mind, its obvious its not a "godlike strain" If Endless sky was truely a godlike strain, DrGT would have increased his equilibrium quantity and lowered his price, so that he could sell more and make more profit (plus more testimonials= more good reviews=more people buy it)

Its obvious that ANY and I mean ANY seed strain that someone charges over $200 for is obviously bullshit , they sell a few at a high price, a few fake testimonials here and there, bam $10,000 from a select group of idiots who actually buy it.

Great scam tactic, Ill probably try it one day if I ever get to the reverence of drGT

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I have to say Endless Skyis up to date the best bud I've ever had and I spent weeks in amsterdamn and been with multiple strains at all times for the past 15 years! That being said I was a newbie when I was running doc's gear so I'm sure alot of it was human error, but I had a few germination issues and some phenotype variation, but if u can find the right pheno of ES it's between 3 1/2 to 5 feet, very distinct fan leaves, not like any other I've seen, and produces grandaddy type density and shape nugs, that have a floral, fruity, earthy unbelievable taste and straight potent, 2 hits and your ripped for a few hours! Great happy, head and serious body high perfect strain for heavy pain relief! The only thing is between germ issues and newbie error and a little variance in phenos, I only found 3 of those in 20 seeds back in his 2009 or 2010 stock, that had those characteristics and I wasn't cloning, stupid mistake! I also had 3 1/2 z's on 1, 4 on another and 5 z's on the last of the three. Bend that main stalk after it gets around 10" and LST will help almost double yields. Also docs, big purps or kashmiri resin factory or hash plant what he used to call it, is my 2nd favorite strain, flook juice a big purps x Endless Sky cross is crazy, buds are white and the most unique tasting bud and unique high ive had to date, perfect just like the parents, ask doc he will have a few of those beans lying around! His chem #4 is perfect cash crop, for me it's months and months of meds, great chem taste like diesel and dirty feet but somehow pleasant seriously potent gets huge in DWC, trainwreck arcata great cash crop to flowers fast, 45-53 days and covered in crystals tastes just like arcata clone maybe better, most crystals of all docs strains ive had and potent but not like ES and BP, truest rep of arcata I've had to date, and I live in Santa Monica for a few years, had bud delivered on the regular, and train arcata was big with them. Original UK cheese suicide cut is serious friend had 1 3/4 lbs of dank fruity cheesy tasting potent shit outdoor, things main stalk was like bicep size. Wasn't happy with oh zone, had germ issues with bubba and a lot of males with matanuska but looking back I'm sure all of my issues were user, jazz was just like description, the dope was ok, smoked ghost cut og best rep og I've had to date seriously potent, 4 hour high lemony fuel taste. Overall doc has serious genetics, high prices but if u have the cash and want some serious shit to breed with and clone get docs strains listed above and don't be afraid to try his S1's I haven't seen a hermy yet, or heard about hermies on grow journals, his East coast sour is something I really want to try and heard nothing but great things about. I heard about the lost ES genes too but I'm not sure the truth behind it!

First off, Dr. G himself stated he lost the original mother so I know it's a fact. It used to be a fine strain, but the last 2 years it's SUCKED, and that's now well documented on many posts and reviews.

Second, it's funny that the ONLY people who ever have a positive on this strain have 1 or 2 posts, never any more which tells most reasonable people that the Doctor sends his internet shills out to offset all the negative posts with a few positives. This is only about Endless Sky, his other stuff is probably fine if you can afford his prices. Don't buy E.S. or you'll be unhappy with the finished product.

First of all no one sent me out to say anything, the only reason I came up on this forum was because I heard he lost endless's mother so I was trying to find out if there was any truth behind it b/c as I said in my last post I never cloned the ES keepers I got, now I stopped using doc because of his prices but that doesn't mean I will never use him again, actually I'm gonna grab some bubba og, ghost og, and he said he was gonna throw me a pack of bubba katsu, because I had some germ issues back when he was selling them in 10 packs, something he doesn't have to do b/c it was years ago and when I talked to his secretary she said I had to send the seeds back that didn't germ, now I could've called doc he would've replaced it anyway but I had plenty of other gear and just never did, eventually I went to grab another pack of bubba and the prices went up a lot so I couldn't pull the trigger, anyway doc has some high quality shit, a lot of it is for experienced growers but some are easy like his chem 4 or trainwreck both beautiful plants the train has more resin than I've ever seen the chem gives monster yields especially in dwc a little less in soil but still great. Most people who trash doc are newbies, and the fact that u say I'm doc or someone he sent to go looking for bad press on websites is absurd. If I was doc or someone who works for him would I say I hate his prices which I do, I think he could be a top 5 selling breeder if he lowered the cost of his genetics and gave out some freebies of his other strains. And when I say breeder I don't mean Greenhouse seeds or Dutch passion. I mean mr nice, gage green, bodhi, hazeman has some crazy shit for cheap, mota, sin city, soma, all of which I tried and love, but docs is right there and some strains like his ghost og, and from what I hear bubba katsu, big purps, endless sky, his dope, and flook juice p, the first two are s1s and even though its just an elite clone reversed it takes skill to make all these s1s and have very very view hermit reports as a matter of fact I've yet to see one all his s1s have very little pheno variations and all are connoisseur grade, but strains like dope, and endless sky, chumaluma, jazz, another great strain niagra, and niagra shiva, are all created by by him they are not strains other breeders had before him except the elites.

Doc never stated he lost the mother, I'm pretty friendly with doc and talk to him every few months or if I have any questions he said flat out it never happened and I would love to see the quote where he states that because I would be pissed he lied to me!

The above post is an absolute lie. A moderator from one of the pot sites called him and he admitted to her he DID lose the mothers. Search around and you'll also find he was breeding one of the strains out of the genetics. I found it in 5 minutes after searching for it....try again fool.

jackofspeed39 said:

this is my experience with endless sky from Dr green thumb, out of 20 seeds got a total of 3 plants one is severely stunned and deformed and about 3 weeks behind the other two, one appears to be a male, long and sticky although I paid for feminized.
the plants are thin leafed also the plants are not happy with my hydro set up, nutrient touchy with a long time proven feeding program, leaf curling to the upper leafs where as the afghan white widow plants they are with are all growing perfectly.

ALL IN ALL MY OPION IS ENDLESS SKY IS CRAP!!! a huge disappointment and a financial disaster I Do not recommend for indoor hydro AND have my doubts as to its quality at all.......appers to be all hype HORRABLE

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guys prices are way,way high. with so many choices.makes me wonder why anyone would pay those crazy prices.

I don't necessarily agree with you, eyes.......if I'm going to spend 3+ months growing something out, I want to make sure the plants have good genetics and are fairly uniform. That's not to say you won't find good plants cheaper, but I've found the more you spend (generally), the more uniform the plants tend to be and are higher quality....but of cource not always. I think most of Dr. Greenthumbs stuff is A-B grade except his Endless Sky. I just read another recent report who recently grew it out and graded it 9/10 for yield and 6.5/10 for potency- about where I'd put it too. His Bubba Kush was also fairly week potency wise, maybe a 7/10 or 7.5/10 so I've given up on him and have moved on to others......never to return!

oh I hear ya bout all the time investment on seeds. I cant tell ya how many times its happened to me as well. Either way, 30 and 40 per seed to me is-greed- 10-12 per seed is expensive. so 3 or 4 x that is just crazy. most i payed back in the day was 150 bux for 10. That was a one time thing and alot of cheddar for that time. I just dont see alot of uniformity like there once was. As far as ya get what ya pay for it doesnt always ring true. I look at breeders daily on all of the seed sites. There is just a handful that i consider consistent-karma being one of em. Too many times I read about people paying for these genetics and not 100 percent satisfied. I know if im paying that much i want the seeds to pop and be consistent. I rather have a choice of 3 consistent strains then 20 different strains that are inconsistent.ill give ya an example. how can breeders produce new strains so fast and then expect them to be stable if they dont invest the time to test em out? Two breeders come to mind DNA and TGA: Everytime i look at here list, there is a new strain.