Ebb and Grow with Scrog

@bryangtho really appreciate that man. I will try to find it if its still in the market.

Hi @TheChemist77 thanks for sharing your experienced with all the detail!
you got everything I want to know man, but its too late to know I already bought some Koolbloom liquid.
Like you you mentioned, i found I could cut some shipping cost for some powder nutes instead of liquid ones.
After some research, I found Maxi series is the cheapest I possibly get.
So does Koolbloom powder. Then I see GH recommend liquid in early bloom and powder for late bloom.
I was like, fuck that im just getting both.
Anyway, I did have good result last run by using GH 3 part with only Micro and Bloom 1:2
Liquld KB for early bloom, powder for late bloom.
I would say its the best result I have ever had.( never bloom nutes before)

As you can see in this thread, right now they are pass two week after flip.
I add maxibloom EC. 1.2 after some liquid KB it goes up to 1.4
I see how they react if EC drop, I add some nutes to take up more until it stable.

Never use Klean, but also consider that before.
some said it help some said useless.
Do you see any differences?
When you mentioned you see how much water they drink when flush.
I would like to know more detail on that part

Im sure I will follow your nutes ratio to see how they well can they be.
I will have more Pics update. It would be awesome if I can have more feedbacks from you.
cheers

Hi @horribleherk thanks for the Feedback
do you mean you have GH 3 as base nute, and maxibloom for extra push in Bloom stage?
Yes I totally agree with you, EC/PPM its important. If I leaned this earlier, plants wouldn't got burn in early veg.

I built 2 dwc buckets for tomatoes & waste nutes & learned something in the process I water down the nutes I drain from my waterfarms & use them on the tomatoes funny thing is the tomatoes outgrow everything else & im talking about 3" a day I had a little cheapie tds meter that came with a drinking water pitcher filter I didn't trust it it wasn't until I got a legit tds meter that I tested them & darned if the little meter isn't -+ 6 ppm. Of the oakton tds. Meter I could of been using it all along it tops out @ 1000ppm. The tomato grow has really helped my skills considerable

ligrow said:

@bryangtho really appreciate that man. I will try to find it if its still in the market.

Hi @TheChemist77 thanks for sharing your experienced with all the detail!
you got everything I want to know man, but its too late to know I already bought some Koolbloom liquid.
Like you you mentioned, i found I could cut some shipping cost for some powder nutes instead of liquid ones.
After some research, I found Maxi series is the cheapest I possibly get.
So does Koolbloom powder. Then I see GH recommend liquid in early bloom and powder for late bloom.
I was like, fuck that im just getting both.
Anyway, I did have good result last run by using GH 3 part with only Micro and Bloom 1:2
Liquld KB for early bloom, powder for late bloom.
I would say its the best result I have ever had.( never bloom nutes before)

As you can see in this thread, right now they are pass two week after flip.
I add maxibloom EC. 1.2 after some liquid KB it goes up to 1.4
I see how they react if EC drop, I add some nutes to take up more until it stable.

Never use Klean, but also consider that before.
some said it help some said useless.
Do you see any differences?

Im sure I will follow your nutes ratio to see how they well can they be.
I will have more Pics update. It would be awesome if I can have more feedbacks from you.
cheers

Hi @horribleherk thanks for the Feedback
do you mean you have GH 3 as base nute, and maxibloom for extra push in Bloom stage?
Yes I totally agree with you, EC/PPM its important. If I leaned this earlier, plants wouldn't got burn in early veg.

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I'm not using the maxi stuff now but have in the past dwc I have gallons of the 3-part flora nutes as well as a gallon of floranova bloom maxi( dry ) is gonna be my choice but not until I use what I've got up

horribleherk said:

I'm not using the maxi stuff now but have in the past dwc I have gallons of the 3-part flora nutes as well as a gallon of floranova bloom maxi( dry ) is gonna be my choice but not until I use what I've got up

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I see what you mean now. haha its same to me. I still have some GH 3 part left. Im now using it for my soil grow.
It also make my headache is when my Bloom out, I will still have some micro left. I plan on change to all powder if possible.(cheaper for shipping)

a word about powder kool bloom it's just to Finnish off it signals the plant the end is near that's why I never recycled coco after using the powder kool bloom I'm sure it would be ok with hydroton if you washed it good liquid kool bloom & powder kool bloom are different altogether

horribleherk said:

I built 2 dwc buckets for tomatoes & waste nutes & learned something in the process I water down the nutes I drain from my waterfarms & use them on the tomatoes funny thing is the tomatoes outgrow everything else & im talking about 3" a day I had a little cheapie tds meter that came with a drinking water pitcher filter I didn't trust it it wasn't until I got a legit tds meter that I tested them & darned if the little meter isn't -+ 6 ppm. Of the oakton tds. Meter I could of been using it all along it tops out @ 1000ppm. The tomato grow has really helped my skills considerableView attachment 3698790View attachment 3698792

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This is cool man. I did ebb and flow aquaponic grow some veg for my pets before. I think that help with my grow too.
but it didnt taste good when I eat it. Hows your tomato taste?

ligrow said:

I see what you mean now. haha its same to me. I still have some GH 3 part left. Im now using it for my soil grow.
It also make my headache is when my Bloom out, I will still have some micro left. I plan on change to all powder if possible.(cheaper for shipping)

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Maxi grow & maxi bloom were originally stand alone nutes & if you read the ingredients they even contain cal- mag newer & fancier isn't always better the maxi stores good & works just fine I've used most of gh nutes&addatives & this is the one I would like to go back to

ligrow said:

This is cool man. I did ebb and flow aquaponic grow some veg for my pets before. I think that help with my grow too.
but it didnt taste good when I eat it. Hows your tomato taste?

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Haven't got that far yet

horribleherk said:

Maxi grow & maxi bloom were originally stand alone nutes & if you read the ingredients they even contain cal- mag newer & fancier isn't always better the maxi stores good & works just fine I've used most of gh nutes&addatives & this is the one I would like to go back to

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totally agree. keep learning

20 days after flip




Nute: GH MaxiBloom& KoolBloom liquid
EC: 1.3 PH: 6.1
Temp: 79.7F /26.5C
RH: 67%
trying to clean up all the flower sites under the net today.
I afraid of my tent isnt high enough, so I trained my plants low.
I have to get down on the floor to trim that.
Some of them in the middle even harder to reach.


The RH in the tent is still too high for me.
I think the problem might be I still pull air out of my room.(cool tube)
It pull air from room--tube---tube---fan---out of tent- out of room
Runing dehumidifier will also raise the temp.
so I bought some dry bags just throw some around the intake, and all over the tent to see if it helps.

I didnt tucked any cola after ten days. kind of let them stretch up.
Even pull up some of colas, let them grow vertical.

Also found this problem, two days ago.
I was wondering if it could be wind burn.
I raise up the fan, its not hard wind on that part now.
only couple of leaves have symptom like this.
edge of the leaves kind of cured up, and became brown two days after. even I already raise my fan.

Any feedbacks or inputs are welcome
Thanks and happy grow

looking good,, every time i used straight maxi bloom at flip i got yellowing so now for the first 3 weeks of bloom i go half grow half bloom and NO yellowing anymore..
as for the flush, i have a 70 gallon rez under a 4'x6' f&d table,,by the last weeks of flower i need to add at least 7-10 gallons per day to top off rez.. so plants are taking up 7-10 gallons per day,,the more the plants take in each day the less time u need to flush..plants in 4x4x4 rock wool blocks placed in 6inch net pots covered with grow rocks,,,when ur plants are taking in that much water each day your medium is flushed out of chemicals and nutrients very quickly no matter the nutes you use,powder or liquid,,if you flush for to long you lose bud size as you couldve continued with nutes to bulk up buds..so i flush as soon as the buds are completely swolen and after say 3-5 days of flushing the plants start to yellow or get fall colors meaning they have used up all the nutes and are now recieving straight water no nutes..once those colors are in,, they are completely free of chemicals and ready to pull...
as i said i did side by side tests with nutrients and flushing w/kleen and w/out klean...i found wen using gh klean the flush is quicker as it seems the klean actualy cleans the salts off the table and mediums making clean up after i pull much easier.. w/out gh kleen just flushing with ph balanced water it takes 3-4 days longer to see the fall colors in plants,,so it takes water alone longer to get the medium free of salt build ups and the table itself has that white tint that needs to be scrubbed off after the pull to clean up..w/kleen i forgot to mention the rez to is eazier to clean,,no scrubbing as the salts are gone..i hope i helped to clear up any thoughts on plant intake and flushing... also, the gh 3 part is good,,but you need time and expeirience to dial in the wright amount of micro,bloom,veg to get the mix correct to the strain your growing,,ive had great results with the 3 part once i had it mixed to suit the needs of the strain i was growing,,different strain,different mix,,some plants want more micr,veg or bloom wile other strains are happier with less...the maxi series and nova series takes that out, as they supply the correct amount of everything just follwing the directions,,adding more or less to get the ppm were u like it...

@TheChemist77 Appreciate all the detail. I do have salty look on hydroton. sounds look it good idea to using it to flush it quicker, also wash out the salt build up on grow rocks. I would love to use some but my nutes just landed. I think I might try straight PH water for flush this run. use kleen next run to see some side by side different myself.


day 21
I got it fucked up
I forgot to have tent close last night, have it open for 6 hours dark time with room light on and some day light.
In the tent should be kind of dark, but not complete darkness they should be.
How bad are they?

depends on your strain and how strong your ladies are.. some weak girls can herm quick if they get any light at night..

@TheChemist77 how can I read if they get any harm? Lights are on now, don't see any different yet. Hope they will be fine.

just have to wait n see,, the plants that recieved the most light are probably the ones to keep a close eye on..just try to remember to keep the tent shut at lights off,,they may not herm at all,,but it is possible..like i said it depends on the strength or tolerability of the plants.. some can tolerate tons of stress and never herm,, others can herm over little things like nute toxisity,light leaks, to high or to low temps, ph, so many things can stress a plant to herm...thats why we hunt phenios and keep the strong and cull the weak,,no room for hermies in the grow room...

Im sure i will remember that.
Excuse my English, Im not sure what exactly herm mean.
Its like re-veg or something?

Day 22
Make sure I have tent shut after all the work done.
Hope there is no harm on leaving with one side of the tent opened for 6 hrs.

I will be facing some RH issue, as I already see RH in the tent is over 80%.
upcoming season will also rain a lot with heat also.
For this setup I have window A/C on 24/7.
I found RH is lower when lights off, I think the closed loop air cool hood might be the problem.
Intake for HID hood, in still in my room and exhaust out of the room.
that way cold air also got vent out of the room. This cause overall negative pressure in the room, so high RH hot air come in from the door leak or window leak.

I think this window A/C unit should bring down RH to around 50%
should I have the intake for closed hood loop connect out side, that way no cold air go out of the room?
If yes, intake temp from outside will be over 30 C, can air hot like that cooling anything?
If yes, Is there enough air exchange for my grow? because there is no vent in my room. Window A/C can cover that job?
I have no CO2 in the room, this is my first grow with A/C. I was all venting setup for my previous.

It would be awesome to hear some feedback or inputs form you guys
thanks in advance and happy grow.

herm= hermaphrodite, when a female plant develops male preflowers , banana looking things that can produce pollen and seed out your crop!!! hermaphrodite pollen is never used for breeding because the seeds produced will be more inclined to be hermaphrodite plants, plants that are both male and female...

What is that scrog called? Mesh fencing?

@TheChemist77 again thanks for sharing your knowledge. appreciate that.

Good day@ThaMagnificent
I dont know what it call in English man, its like iron wire.
found that randomly in local hardware store.