Dynagro is under-rated as fuck

onlythefinest said:

Hey guys I'm about to start my first grow and I've decided to go with DG for my nutes. Was wondering if this chart: http://www.hhydro.com/files/Instructions/dynagro.pdf is a pretty good starter point for me to base off of, having read Homebrewer's comments as well as other research to know that my set up, different strains, etc. might call for some tweaking of this schedule. Also what supplemental nutrients would you guys suggest? Will be growing in a flood and drain system.

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NO! That chart is FUCKED - it comes up in Google, but isn't even close to right for cannabis.

You don't really need a feeding chart. Basically, you have 4 things: Protekt, Grow, Bloom and MagPro.

When you are in veg, you use Protekt and Grow. Protekt is 4-5ml per gallon, Grow is 10-15ml per gallon. You have to dissolve ProTekt in water before adding grow or it will turn into a solid. The amount of nutes your plants need depends on how fast they are growing, which depends mainly on the amount of light they have, but also on age, strain and co2.

When you bloom, you use Protekt, Bloom and MagPro. Use 10-15 ml per gallon of bloom, and 1-2 ml per gallon of MagPro. See why that chart is wrong? It has you using way to little bloom, and almost equal amounts of bloom and magpro.

You might want to try this chart: http://www.growsmarthydroponics.com/assets/images/feedingschedules/DynaGroFeedingChart-hydro.pdf

You might need to tweak a little, but it's probably pretty close.

You shouldn't need any supplemental nutes, but you might want to add Superthrive, or something for the roots. To be honest, it's a little hard to tell whether or not a product is actually doing anything sometimes. If you use hydrozyme and don't have root problems, is it because the hydrozyme is working? Maybe, maybe not - but do you risk hurting your plants to find out? So you can maybe save $30 a month?

tibberous said:

When you are in veg, you use Protekt and Grow. Protekt is 4-5ml per gallon, Grow is 10-15ml per gallon.

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You wont have plants for long feeding like that.

When you veg, you use Protekt, Bloom and MagPro. Use 10-15 ml per gallon of bloom, and 1-2 ml per gallon of MagPro. See why that chart is wrong? It has you using way to little bloom, and almost equal amounts of bloom and magpro.

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Using bloom formula in veg?

You might want to try this chart: http://www.growsmarthydroponics.com/assets/images/feedingschedules/DynaGroFeedingChart-hydro.pdf

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That chart will scorch plants too.

homebrewer said:

You wont have plants for long feeding like that.

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Beg to differ?

6 week old clones in an E&F, under T5's, w/ CO2.

homebrewer said:

Using bloom formula in veg?

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Typo - I wrote veg twice

homebrewer said:

That chart will scorch plants too.

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Something close to that (the chart I posted) seems to work really great in an RDWC system. I'm not saying you couldn't get away with less, but more doesn't seem to hurt either.

HB, do you run hydro and CO2? I've heard that CO2 lets plants take more nutes and heat.

Late flowering you'll get some leaves falling off, but in veg, 12ml grow / 5 ml ProTekt seems damn near perfect - look at the leaves in the picture - no tip damage at all.

I've been using DG for a while. I don't follow their chart for two reasons. First, I haven't found any plants that like 1200 ppm. Second, Bloom turns my plants yellow. I use the Foliage Pro (9-3-6) for vegging and Grow (7-9-5) for flowering. In 20 gallons of RO water: 100ml of Protekt, 50ml of ProMag, and 100ml of nutrient (yes, I AM BILINGUAL and I mix and match imperial with metric because THAT is how I roll!!)

I'm interested in using DG, mainly because the NPK of my H&G cocos nutrients seems totally out of whack. Its an A+B formula designed to take you through both veg and flower and the NPK is 11-7-18. That seems way too low on the Phosphorous and although I'm sure it will grow a great looking healthy plant, I imagine some flower weight it being sacraficed.

The only issue is that I'm growing in coco and apparently there are specific nutrients that coco has an affinity to, potassium being one of them. If I wanted to use DG with coco is there any way to make that work without causing nutrient uptake problems due to my growing in coco?

Is Promix a good alternative to keep in mind for my next grow instead of using coco? Would DG work well in promix/perlite?

Thedillestpickle said:

Is Promix a good alternative to keep in mind for my next grow instead of using coco? Would DG work well in promix/perlite?

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Yes and yes.

Promix is just overpriced peat moss. It's made by Premier, the same people who make HD brand peat moss for WAY cheaper: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-100626048/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=peat moss&storeId=10051

They claim the promix has extra microbials or some bullshit - basically they just want to make more money if your growing pot with it.

Personally, I prefer peat moss over coir if you aren't doing hydro. If you are doing hydro, stick to coir, since peat moss is basically dirt and will almost turn to mud.

Tibberous - those plants look great but in my experience, it's only a matter of time before your medium or roots or plants themselves get jam-packed full of salts which is not easy to correct moving forward. Show us some plants at harvest after months of feeding like that. While your plants do look great right now, mine in veg look just as good and they're being fed at literally 1/3 of what yours are. You can have the same results too AND save money doing so.

HB, do you run hydro and CO2? I've heard that CO2 lets plants take more nutes and heat.

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I don't run Co2 as I don't run a closed system.

Is Promix a good alternative to keep in mind for my next grow instead of using coco? Would DG work well in promix/perlite?

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Some of my garden is in promix and the more experience I have with DG in promix, the more I'm beginning to think that 'grow' would be all you need from start to finish. I like CoralGrower's idea of foliage pro in veg and grow in flower. My hydro plants shine with mostly bloom and a touch of grow but running that same mix in promix has given me yellow plants in the past. You're doing well in coco at the moment so keep doing what works for you.

homebrewer said:

Tibberous - those plants look great but in my experience, it's only a matter of time before your medium or roots or plants themselves get jam-packed full of salts which is not easy to correct moving forward. Show us some plants at harvest after months of feeding like that. While your plants do look great right now, mine in veg look just as good and they're being fed at literally 1/3 of what yours are. You can have the same results too AND save money doing so.



I don't run Co2 as I don't run a closed system.



Some of my garden is in promix and the more experience I have with DG in promix, the more I'm beginning to think that 'grow' would be all you need from start to finish. I like CoralGrower's idea of foliage pro in veg and grow in flower. My hydro plants shine with mostly bloom and a touch of grow but running that same mix in promix has given me yellow plants in the past. You're doing well in coco at the moment so keep doing what works for you.

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homebrewer i think i remember u saying u feed.feed.water.feed.feed.water. etc.....
do u think this will get u frostier plants then if u were doing feed.water.water w/hygrozyme-or cannazyme etc...
i am seeing alot better results with feeding more on all 8 of the strains ive tried it on what are ur thoughts on this?
ive noticed alot of people have frost on there fan leafs at weeek 4 and shit i have plants frosty as fuck that look white but never really my fan leafs?>
thanks homebrewer!

KUShSOurSMOKEr said:

homebrewer i think i remember u saying u feed.feed.water.feed.feed.water. etc.....
do u think this will get u frostier plants then if u were doing feed.water.water w/hygrozyme-or cannazyme etc...
i am seeing alot better results with feeding more on all 8 of the strains ive tried it on what are ur thoughts on this?
ive noticed alot of people have frost on there fan leafs at weeek 4 and shit i have plants frosty as fuck that look white but never really my fan leafs?>
thanks homebrewer!

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If you pay attention to the plants and keep them healthy at all times, they'll do what is coded in their genetics. If that means tons of resin on the fan leaves, then you've got yourself a good hash strain as see below. Do whatever gives you the best results.

tibberous said:

Personally, I prefer peat moss over coir if you aren't doing hydro. If you are doing hydro, stick to coir, since peat moss is basically dirt and will almost turn to mud.

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Yea I know its just peat moss, i will still probably go with promix because that's what's most easily available to me

What do you mean it will turn to mud? I was intending to do a 50/50 promix/perlite mix and hand water with synthetic nutes at pH5.8
What do you mean by if I do hydro use coco if not use promix? I just handwater. do you mean if I were to do a reciculating automated dripper setup promix would turn to mud?

HomeBrewer thanks for the compliment. I see that my plants do look very healthy, but thus far this has all been during veg. I just flipped to 12/12 and I can't imagine how an NPK of 11-7-18 would be ideal for flowering. Such low Phosphorous must not be good. I need to find a way to bring up the P.

Perhaps if I used half DG and half H&G I could bring the NPK to a better ratio. The H&G is extremely pH stable, as is the DG. I wonder if there could be an interaction mixing the two that could disrupt pH or anything else? I'm not a chemist

I just did some math and found that if I mix DG and H&G so that they both contribute 50% to the total EC, I will get an NPK ratio of roughly 4-7-7. That should cover me on the extra needed potassium required by coco(hopefully) and get me closer to the "ideal" NPK of 1-3-2(according to HomeBrewer). Hopefully there will be no negative interaction with the two lines, but I don't see how there should be. H&G is a high quality product and is a really good clean nutrient with amazing pH stability, but the NPK ratio sucks!(11-7-18!)

I'm going to go ahead and do this combination when I start seeing flowers, unless anyone thinks it is a bad idea

I'm also looking at using GH Flora Bloom as that would adjust my NPK more in the direction I'm looking for.
HomeBrewer, you used to use GH flora series correct? Would you still suggest using the GH flora Bloom or do you think I would be playing it safe to go with the Dyna-Gro?

GH Flora Bloom sounds like it may be slightly less pH stable, and a bit more prone to cause salt buildup.
I'm not looking to cheap out on my base nutes, really just trying to get the best NPK/pH/Solubility.

This seems really silly to have to go to all this trouble, but I really can't see how 11-7-18 is going to do me any good
at the same time, you'll never see anyone rave about a nutrient line as much as they do when talking about H&G...
maybe I'm thinking too hard about this NPK ratio?

I have followed HB's DG advice through my last pull, I use a promix/perlite mix close to what your thinking about using. i used Grow through out the vegg cycle, then switched it up to a 2:1 Bloom/grow mix for flower. excellent results. I also had a sample bottle of bud candy so i tossed that in to. dont forget the protekt.

alternate-

dyna and Jack's. trust me.

unohu69 said:

I have followed HB's DG advice through my last pull, I use a promix/perlite mix close to what your thinking about using. i used Grow through out the vegg cycle, then switched it up to a 2:1 Bloom/grow mix for flower. excellent results. I also had a sample bottle of bud candy so i tossed that in to. dont forget the protekt.


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you have absolutely beautiful ladies right there ! good job, sir and + rep for ya

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homebrewer said:

If you pay attention to the plants and keep them healthy at all times, they'll do what is coded in their genetics. If that means tons of resin on the fan leaves, then you've got yourself a good hash strain as see below. Do whatever gives you the best results.

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i think genetics is a MAJOR part but by far the nutes u give it will give u fan leaf crystals!!

homebrewer do u feed.feed.water ?

thanks again!

Thedillestpickle said:

HomeBrewer, you used to use GH flora series correct? Would you still suggest using the GH flora Bloom or do you think I would be playing it safe to go with the Dyna-Gro?

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I think you've got plenty of potassium already in your base so if you were going to change things up for flower, I wouldn't add anything, I'd just use something different altogether (or just continue with what is working for you). A combo of DG's grow and bloom would work well. Or just try their grow at 7-9-5. Just focus on plant health and keep those big leaves intact, you'll get the yields and quality you're seeking.

i think genetics is a MAJOR part but by far the nutes u give it will give u fan leaf crystals!!

homebrewer do u feed.feed.water ?

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I feed when I think the plants need fed. Feed, feed, water works well but sometimes depending on how the plants look, I'll feed lightly every time I water. It really depends.

homebrewer said:

I think you've got plenty of potassium already in your base so if you were going to change things up for flower, I wouldn't add anything, I'd just use something different altogether (or just continue with what is working for you). A combo of DG's grow and bloom would work well. Or just try their grow at 7-9-5. Just focus on plant health and keep those big leaves intact, you'll get the yields and quality you're seeking.
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I know that my H&G has plenty of potassium, that is the reason why I'm thinking it is not ideal. The NPK is 11-7-18 which to me looks like far too much potassium as well as too much nitrogen. I want to bring that NPK to something more ideal, and blending DG with H&G would achieve 4-7-7 which is pretty good I think. I don't see how my successfull vegging means that my nutes are ideal for flowering. Do you still stand by the 1-3-2 ratio as an ideal NPK? I've always seen you make strong emphasis on the importance of the NPK ratio. I think that makes sense and imagine the NPK ratio is probably the most important part of your nutrient solution, so I don't want to lessen my harvest using a wacky NPK. Maybe I will completely switch lines and only use the H&G for vegging plants. The Grow+Bloom combo of DG sounds like a good choice

homebrewer said:

i think you've got plenty of potassium already in your base so if you were going to change things up for flower, i wouldn't add anything, i'd just use something different altogether (or just continue with what is working for you). A combo of dg's grow and bloom would work well. Or just try their grow at 7-9-5. Just focus on plant health and keep those big leaves intact, you'll get the yields and quality you're seeking.


I feed when i think the plants need fed. Feed, feed, water works well but sometimes depending on how the plants look, i'll feed lightly every time i water. It really depends.

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thanks homebrewer so ive seen alot of dyna grow users leafs are super thick,big,healthy green leaves..is this from dyna grows magic? Compared to flora nova it doesnt compare huh ?