Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

homebrewer · Nov 15, 2011

CanniCastro420 said:
I just wanted to follow on my last post. I spoke with Dyna-Gro. The crystals are from colder temp exposure. They weren't too sure on the calcium like stuff. Said it was most likely P or sulphur. They said to use jug as normal, then when 1/2 has been used to top off with hot water, shake and double dosage.

Add 5mls of grow into a gallon of water, what does your TDS meter read? What scale is your meter on?

I've encountered some freezing at the bottom of some of my bloom jugs but it hasn't affected the consistency of the product (from a ppm perspective and a performance perspective).

shnkrmn · Nov 15, 2011

I often have had precipitates in Dyna-gro, but it has not affected performance. That sounds like a lot of solid matter though.

CanniCastro420 said:
I just got my shipment Dyna-Gro. I got a gallon of Grow, Pro-tekt, and Mag-Pro. I think my gallon of Grow is bad. When I picked it up, there was the sound of solids @ the bottom. Being curious, I emptied the liquid into a clean 5 gallon bucket and collected the solids. There was over 98 grams of a calcium-like material, as well as a clear crystalline material. I'm waiting to call Dyna-Gro, as well as the place i bought it from. At the moment I'm waiting for it to be business hrs (Dyna-Gro, & the store I ordered from is on the West Coast and I am not, lol).

CanniCastro420 · Nov 15, 2011

I tested 5ml in a gallon of water. H20 before test was 114 ppm and had a EC of 163 us/cm or .163 ms/cm. Final read with grow was 622 ppm and 897 us/cm or .897 ms/cm ( my meter reads microseimens, not milliseimens). I've set my tester to the .7 conversion scale. What temp co efficiency (or beta) should the pen be set @? It is currently set for 1.9. I have a Hanna model HI 98129 combo pen.

homebrewer · Nov 15, 2011

CanniCastro420 said:
I tested 5ml in a gallon of water. H20 before test was 114 ppm and had a EC of 163 us/cm or .163 ms/cm. final read with grow was 622 ppm and 897 us/cm or .897 ms/cm ( my meter reads microseimens, not milliseimens).

Where did you get your gallon of grow? Assuming you measured correctly, each of your mls equals around 102 ppm. 1ml of my grow measures in the upper 120's. We're both on the same scale too so it looks like some of your ppms are bonded at the bottom of your bottle. I do not know if it'll be an issue but is there any chance you can return that for a fresh jug?

Even with a few chunks at the bottom of my bloom bottles, the ppms have always been consistent from bottle to bottle. Yours seems to be a little off unless another DG user wants to chime in with their readings?

CanniCastro420 · Nov 15, 2011

I bought it online from Greentrees Hydroponics (www.hydroponics.net). I was hoping to avoid this. I wanted to get my clones this week. I have a Bubba Kush and a Blue Dream clone just waiting to be picked up. so my batch is aprox 20 ppm per ml less than the average jug, so just under 20% less potent? Considering its a wk back and forth to get in mail (round trip), can I get by and just add 20% more? Or should I push back a wk and ask for new jug?

homebrewer · Nov 15, 2011

CanniCastro420 said:
I bought it online from Greentrees Hydroponics (www.hydroponics.net). I was hoping to avoid this. I wanted to get my clones this week. I have a Bubba Kush and a Blue Dream clone just waiting to be picked up. so my batch is aprox 20 ppm per ml less than the average jug? Considering its a wk back and forth to get in mail (round trip), can I get by, Homebrewer? Or should I push back a wk and ask for new jug?

So DG says the chunks at the bottom are either sulfur or phosphorus? If that's the case, you've got magpro which has both of those minerals. If it were me, I'd take it back to my local store because I like consistency, but given your situation, I really don't think using the grow as-is will hurt anything.

Also, DG has always been great over the phone and if they thought there was an issue, they'd have told you not to use it. They want your business and selling crappy products to newbs is not what they do to get customers to return

. Keep us posted!

CanniCastro420 · Nov 15, 2011

Thats what the woman said, forgot to catch her name. She was really nice. If I went local, I would just return it. So I'll just try adding 20% more when I get my babies. Thanx again Homebrewer! You da man!

Trichy Bastard · Nov 16, 2011

Although having a lower PPM seems consistent with the fallout, there is always the possibility your meter needs calibrating, 20% isn't too much of a discretion in the grand scheme if you need to get by, but the question is if it is all of the same element, in which case it may be more significant of an issue.

irishboy · Nov 19, 2011

so far every bottle ive bought has gone chunky on me but the mag/pro is ok. ive never had nute get chunky on me like this?

irishboy · Nov 19, 2011

CanniCastro420 said:
I just wanted to follow on my last post. I spoke with Dyna-Gro. The crystals are from colder temp exposure. They weren't too sure on the calcium like stuff. Said it was most likely P or sulphur. They said to use jug as normal, then when 1/2 has been used to top off with hot water, shake and double dosage.

thats not true because ive had it in warm temps also so its not from cold temps.

hellraizer30 · Nov 19, 2011

Ive had this happen with many nute lines/ companys and I used to just return the stuff but over time I just
Started useing it!

irishboy · Nov 19, 2011

hellraizer30 said:
Ive had this happen with many nute lines/ companys and I used to just return the stuff but over time I just
Started useing it!

cant say i have but haven't used too many lines just Age old, GH and a few others. DG sure rocked out my grow though and i love the stuff found the combo with a few additives to get crazy frost.

UPNSMOKE23 · Nov 21, 2011

HB When u first get your clones in your big rockwool what's the flood schedule a day? I tried doing three times but it gets water logged then two and its still the same. Im thinking of doing 1 a day till lots of roots are out and healthy then work my way up. What's your two cents?

homebrewer · Nov 21, 2011

UPNSMOKE23 said:
HB When u first get your clones in your big rockwool what's the flood schedule a day? I tried doing three times but it gets water logged then two and its still the same. Im thinking of doing 1 a day till lots of roots are out and healthy then work my way up. What's your two cents?

One flood per day and I'll top water 12 hours after they were flooded to help establish roots. After about 4 days, I move to a flood every 12 hours and no more top-watering.

CanniCastro420 · Nov 30, 2011

I just wanted to follow up on the Dyna Gro nutes. Been using for a couple of wks now. Despite the solids, the plants don't seem to be lacking anything nutritionally. I did notice last wk a very slight magnesium deficiency, but I added a few mls of Mag pro, and all set. Thanks again Homebrewer, and everyone else who had input. I'm hoping to start a thread within the wk. :peace:

Rick Ratlin · Dec 3, 2011

I'm looking to correct a mag deficiency as well, but i run a sterile nutrient tank with h2o2, so I'd like to foliar feed with mag pro, any suggestions as too how much to mix, and when in the dark period to foliar feed.

homebrewer · Dec 3, 2011

Rick Ratlin said:
I'm looking to correct a mag deficiency as well, but i run a sterile nutrient tank with h2o2, so I'd like to foliar feed with mag pro, any suggestions as too how much to mix, and when in the dark period to foliar feed.

FWIW, magpro makes up about 15-20% of my total ppm when using RO and I don't think I've had issues with magnesium.

Rick Ratlin · Dec 3, 2011

using 5 ml protect, 10 ml bloom, 1 ml magpro per gallon week 1-2 and then 2ml per gallon the rest of the way never above 1.2 EC, is that as much mag pro that you use hb?

homebrewer · Dec 3, 2011

Rick Ratlin said:
using 5 ml protect, 10 ml bloom, 1 ml magpro per gallon week 1-2 and then 2ml per gallon the rest of the way never above 1.2 EC, is that as much mag pro that you use hb?

I think that is a shiz load of P in that mixture to be honest. I kinda found to balance out the P in the magpro, I needed to add some grow in the mix. Grow would make up something like 25% of my total ppms during the first half of flowering.

burrr · Dec 3, 2011

Rick Ratlin said:
I'm looking to correct a mag deficiency as well, but i run a sterile nutrient tank with h2o2, so I'd like to foliar feed with mag pro, any suggestions as too how much to mix, and when in the dark period to foliar feed.

Mag pro will go just fine in your sterile rez. It is crystal clear.

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