Drooping leaves / sign of what

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I have drooping leaves on my plants, which have been in bigger airpots for two weeks now. Medium is canna coco and nutrients cannas a+b. First i had too high ph (because friend told me its not necessary to check) and maybe bit over fertilization. I got that in check and the clawing and nutrient burns got away. I also moved to watering every two days from watering every day. Once they got in big pot i gave them 2.3ml/1L a+b, but after nutrient burns i have been giving them 0.5-1ml a+b / 1L. Especially yesterday it took some time runoff water to appear. By the end of the night there was more drooping to be seen. Now at morning they are drooping much more. Is it underwatering? Too high ph, yesterday solution which i gave was 6.5? Or still too much nutes?

I was thinking if i pour today 0.33ml a+b / 1L with ph some between 5.5-6 and get good amount of run off, much more than 10%. Kind of flushing if theres too much nutrient deposits. Is that good game plan?
 
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Trickster52 said:
I have drooping leaves on my plants, which have been in bigger airpots for two weeks now. Medium is canna coco and nutrients cannas a+b. First i had too high ph (because friend told me its not necessary to check) and maybe bit over fertilization. I got that in check and the clawing and nutrient burns got away. I also moved to watering every two days from watering every day. Once they got in big pot i gave them 2.3ml/1L a+b, but after nutrient burns i have been giving them 0.5-1ml a+b / 1L. Especially yesterday it took some time runoff water to appear. By the end of the night there was more drooping to be seen. Now at morning they are drooping much more. Is it underwatering? Too high ph, yesterday solution which i gave was 6.5? Or still too much nutes?

I was thinking if i pour today 0.33ml a+b / 1L with ph some between 5.5-6 and get good amount of run off, much more than 10%. Kind of flushing if theres too much nutrient deposits. Is that good game plan?
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And lets state that i only have the low cost droplet ph tester and no ec meter...
 
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So i did fully water them with 1250ml with 1ml/1L a+b and rhizo 0.6ml/1L and ph being some around 6. Flushed the pots and run off was more than enough. Photo is taken after watering. Other ones cheered up a bit but the one in the back corner still drooping.

Tell me what do you see in this picture.
 

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Trickster52 said:
Tell me what do you see in this picture.
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The two on the left side look underfed. The others seem ok. But I have bad eyes so idk.

Nothing looks critical apart from that. I'd just stay regular at whichever watering interval you choose and stronger feed for the left ones at least. Maybe they're a little droopy-ish sure, but I've had worse looking plants that simply grew out of it.

PH drips are fine but one thing I noticed was that the instructions said to always check the colour under natural light. The warm white cfl in the kitchen I mix nutes in gave a very different colour to natural light. 6500k cfl is pretty close to natural light though. Just something to be aware of.
 
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Those are really small plants, so it's possible they haven't filled out those pots with a big root system yet and since Canna retains a lot of water, you might be overwatering them. I would let them get slightly dry before feeding again-then at that time, feed them until you get plenty of runoff-20% is fine. Then lift up the pot and remember how it feels, so that way in the future you can tell if you've fully saturated the media. I would look into an EC meter, makes it easier to feed accurately for the stage of plant growth you are in, and be sure you always feed to plenty of runoff in coco. You're good to start feeding daily when the roots have filled out the pot fully.
 
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I'm going to back up the over/under watered symptoms as stated above. This can throw your nutrient uptake all out of whack. The moisture content has to be pretty spot on so leaning one way or the other can give you unfavorable results. What do the pots feel like on the reg? Light or heavy? You may need to learn each one individually and water accordingly to fine tune your watering technique.
 
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I just checked and i saw that every plant had roots at the bottom net, or what ever is the hole thingie at the bottom. (Sorry, english is not my primary language :)). They have been some about two weeks in those pots. Before that in rockwool as cuttings.

How long it takes to recover from underwatering?

First week i watered almost everyday, one day i didnt water them at all.

Second week in bigger pots i watered every other day, and this drooping appeared. They really seemed to like water yesterday, because it took some time to runoffwater to appear and i poured a bit more than usually, but end of the day they was again drooping. Except the one in the corner has been drooping few days straight. She just thirsty and it takes time to recover or is it overwatering?

And today i watered atleast twice the amount i usually do. Flush the medium thorougly.
 
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Trickster52 said:
I just checked and i saw that every plant had roots at the bottom net, or what ever is the hole thingie at the bottom. (Sorry, english is not my primary language :)). They have been some about two weeks in those pots. Before that in rockwool as cuttings.

How long it takes to recover from underwatering?

First week i watered almost everyday, one day i didnt water them at all.

Second week in bigger pots i watered every other day, and this drooping appeared. They really seemed to like water yesterday, because it took some time to runoffwater to appear and i poured a bit more than usually, but end of the day they was again drooping. Except the one in the corner has been drooping few days straight. She just thirsty and it takes time to recover or is it overwatering?

And today i watered atleast twice the amount i usually do. Flush the medium thorougly.
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So you're watering once a day to runoff? How much runoff are you achieving? How are you checking the moisture content in the medium? How often are you checking? Do you check before watering? Are you watering on a tight schedule or trying to be on an as needed basis?
 
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Killaki said:
So you're watering once a day to runoff? How much runoff are you achieving? How are you checking the moisture content in the medium? How often are you checking? Do you check before watering? Are you watering on a tight schedule or trying to be on an as needed basis?
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Yes now im thinking going back to everyday watering, as i watered yesterday and today. Usually i aimed the bottom plate to have some run offwater but also have clear or dry areas. Not filling the plate entirely. Is that too little?

I checked the medium by taking it between fingers and squeeze. I got few drops out of it but it wasnt completely wet.
 
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Trickster52 said:
Yes now im thinking going back to everyday watering, as i watered yesterday and today. Usually i aimed the bottom plate to have some run offwater but also have clear or dry areas. Not filling the plate entirely. Is that too little?

I checked the medium by taking it between fingers and squeeze. I got few drops out of it but it wasnt completely wet.
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All that sounds like it's probably fine but I need that other stuff. How often are you checking it? And do you check before watering? I check by weight and feel. This way I get an idea of saturation but also moisture retention. Is this scheduled watering or as needed?
 
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No money for that right now. I try to go by feeling and reading the plants. Maybe later if needed when i got money.
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Your odds of a successful grow would increase dramatically if you actually knew what you're feeding your plants and what they're consuming.
Currently you know neither
Good luck diagnosing any issues by feeling

Also, check dryness by weight, not by a "squeeze"
 
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Killaki said:
All that sounds like it's probably fine but I need that other stuff. How often are you checking it? And do you check before watering? I check by weight and feel. This way I get an idea of saturation but also moisture retention. Is this scheduled watering or as needed?
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At first i was checking the weight. But then i just watered as daily schedule, second week was every other day. Now as third week is starting ive watered yesterday and today. I also observed the surface of the medium and its coloring and have sticked my finger in the medium. Now i take the weight checkin back to practice.

My friend had grown years succesfully without an ec meter, top notch bud. Of course the lucky bastard does not even have ph tester wich amazes me xD just doing nutes straight to tap water.

But yeah, how hard can it be to grow without ecmeter? If within few grows (or few weeks) im not starting to be a plant whisperer, i get the ecmeter.

Back to moisture. Water amounts ive been feeding has been between 500ml-750ml usually. And the plate havent always fully been covered by run off water. Sometimes it is. Should i make it so?
 
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And no i dont always do the full check, but i have seen some water has been gone by looking the surface. And tried to keep once a day schedule. Or like i said second week was every other day.
 
Killaki

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Trickster52 said:
My friend had grown years succesfully without an ec meter, top notch bud. Of course the lucky bastard does not even have ph tester wich amazes me xD just doing nutes straight to tap water.

But yeah, how hard can it be to grow without ecmeter? If within few grows (or few weeks) im not starting to be a plant whisperer, i get the ecmeter.
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That would do better in an organic soil mixture than coco. I guess in a certain set of unlikely circumstances it could work out but that's probably non-typical.
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At first i was checking the weight. But then i just watered as daily schedule, second week was every other day. Now as third week is starting ive watered yesterday and today. I also observed the surface of the medium and its coloring and have sticked my finger in the medium. Now i take the weight checkin back to practice.
...-Water amounts ive been feeding has been between 500ml-750ml usually. And the plate havent always fully been covered by run off water. Sometimes it is. Should i make it so?
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I would also probably monitor your plants needs and water as needed, checking moisture/weight instead of a schedule. Coco can need to be watered 1 or 2 or even more a day so you're going to need to watch it better and have a strong understanding. You also don't need to leave it in runoff, or "flush" it every time. Again, you're treating it more like soil, although flushing is still uncommon and commonly unnecessary.
Ec meter in Coco is probably the smart move or maybe soil for a beginner.
 
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Killaki said:
That would do better in an organic soil mixture than coco. I guess in a certain set of unlikely circumstances it could work out but that's probably non-typical.

I would also probably monitor your plants needs and water as needed, checking moisture/weight instead of a schedule. Coco can need to be watered 1 or 2 or even more a day so you're going to need to watch it better and have a strong understanding. You also don't need to leave it in runoff, or "flush" it every time. Again, you're treating it more like soil, although flushing is still uncommon and commonly unnecessary.
Ec meter in Coco is probably the smart move or maybe soil for a beginner.
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Im confused?? The internet says this needs to be treated as a hydroponic, coco i mean. And everybody have been saying always get runoff. Or did i understand something wrong from your sentence?

Yes, i considered moving to soil after this because this coco thing seems to take alot of work. Everyday schedule is exhausting.

Couple more questions. Can i let the pots sit in run off water till its gone if it evaporates or do i have to clear them always?

Also can i prune these big middle leaves off since they block the new tops growing from the stem?
 

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