Dont listen to this bullshit.. because thats exactly what it is.
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Nubby Tubbs
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yah u got jacked hard on ur white widow, bro!
Brick Top
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Originally Posted by Brick Top
I use several. The Attitude, Hemp Depot, Hemcy and now and then PeakSeedsBC.
I don't know if the word; "enjoy" actually is a true fit for the question but if you want me to rank them and why I would put Attitude first because of a wide selection, good pricing and I have used them numerous times and never have had any complaints. I would put Hemp Depot Second. Again it has a good assortment, it's more expensive but it does offer some breeders that Attitude doesn't and I have never had any problem with them. I would put Hemcy third, but only because they offer less. Other than that they are as good as any .. and PeakSeedsBC would only be last because they have a small line and can be a bit slow at times but what they have is real quality and you can trust them even if it takes a week longer to get your beans than you expected. They are honest .. just at times ever so slightly slow.
fabfun
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Canon
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Some strains seem to be naturally more tempermental about germinating.
One of the girls in my MMJ group had trouble germinating one particular strain. She bitched about a seed bank she bought them from.
Tried 3 strains (5 seeds each of 10 packs). 2 came in fine. The 3rd wouldn't germ for her.
Well, she gave me the 5 that were left from the "dead seed " group to try.
3 weeks later,, I gave her back the 5 seeds that somehow turned into "starter plants". Took me less than 72 hrs from raw bean to pushing green.
That's all I want to (or need to) say on this.
One of the girls in my MMJ group had trouble germinating one particular strain. She bitched about a seed bank she bought them from.
Tried 3 strains (5 seeds each of 10 packs). 2 came in fine. The 3rd wouldn't germ for her.
Well, she gave me the 5 that were left from the "dead seed " group to try.
3 weeks later,, I gave her back the 5 seeds that somehow turned into "starter plants". Took me less than 72 hrs from raw bean to pushing green.
That's all I want to (or need to) say on this.
Serapis
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Sounds like you are describing the Attitude to a tee with tee shirts, gimmicks, freebies, etc.... You should grow some Nirvana Bubblegum or White widow, so you can quit knocking their genetics. That shit is potent. The hash from the bubblegum knocks me on my ass, and I've been medicating and enjoying for about 35 years now.
Serapis
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Brick Top
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I told nothing but the truth about Nirvana. You are of course free to believe whatever it is that you want and need to believe to feel good about what you purchase, grow and smoke. That is your prerogative. But it will never alter facts.
As for my trying Nirvana's strains, well after the multitude of horror stories I have read over the many years I have hung around on numerous sites like this and were told to me by people I know I would not pay so much as one small piece of dry cat shit for every seed in Nirvana's inventory.
Everyone should of course grow what they want to grow and if they are satisfied, that's great. But with the not all that often exception of the occasional experiment to see if all the hype that is going around at some time or another about some 'flavor of the month strain' being spectacular is even half true my money is only spent on truly high quality actual professional breeders genetics.
Do you know how Nirvana got it's White Widow? Nirvana bought a pack of seeds from Shantibaba after Shantibaba's original White Widow first won a Cup and Nirvana made F2s of it. If you prefer F2s that's cool and the gang with me, but if I want the original White Widow I purchase Mr. Nice Seeds Black Widow.
Serapis
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For someone who has admittedly never purchased or tried a single seed from Nirvana, you sure do talk a lot of smack about their quality.... Any reasonably prudent person would think you have an ulterior agenda.... I don't care where the genes came from... all I care about is the outcome.... everyone that smokes my hydro bubble gum loves it. To each his own.... I'd never trash a businesses product without any personal knowledge of it. What does that say to your reputation? How can anyone trust a baseless opinion? You have absolutely nothing to base your opinion on regarding quality.... there are more Nirvana praise and grow threads on here than complaints. that speaks louder than your opinion.
Brick Top
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As I have clearly stated, I have hung around on sites like this ever since they began popping up online and I have never seen any breeder/seed vender have nearly as many complaints over the years as Nirvana. Also, while I have admitted that I never have grown any Nirvana strains I have had friends and acquaintances who have and they have added to the horror stories and I have sampled some of what they grew. I was not impressed, and that was not because they are unskilled growers. It was because of the genetics.
I have no agenda beyond that of telling the truth. That is why I said; "Everyone should of course grow what they want to grow and if they are satisfied, that's great."
Well goodie gumdrops for you! But not all growers are so uncaring as you and many are far more particular about things like being sold F2s but not being told they are F2s.
I am not saying that F2s are terrible, but I believe that if someone is selling them they should be advertised as being F2s. It's like Joey Weed's F2s. He openly says they are F2s, he does not make any effort to hide that fact from the public and his customers the way Nirvana does.
And in the case of Joey Weed, knowing his gear is made up of F2s was one reason why I bought them in the past. They will give you more phenotypes and fewer plants of what the cross was intended to be, but I was pheno-hunting and found what I was hunting for, the better of the two types of Cherry AK47. When there is a phenotype or phenotypes of some strain that are very special F2s are great, and it is important then to know that is what you are purchasing so if you are hunting you know where to go to have a chance of finding what you want. But when there are no truly special or highly unique phenotypes that people consider prizes to be found in an F2 than all you are getting purchasing them is less stable genetics with less chance of finding as many plants that are what the strain/cross is actually supposed to be.
People's tastes vary and so does their comparative base, the number of breeders and strains that they have had exposure to. The fewer breeder lines and fewer number of strains from professional breeders someone has had exposure to the higher the odds are that they could find themselves believing that some low to mid grade, as professional genetics run, strain or strains are 'The Holy Grail.' An example is when The Church was released and there was thread after thread making it sound like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Normally though in those same threads, either initially or later, the member making The Church sound fantastic said that it was the first time or the second time or only the third time they grew from professional genetics and before that all they smoked was low grade commercial.
Well compared to low grade commercial The Church could easily seem to be 'The Holy Grail' because the person has almost no comparative base of professional genetics to compare it to, so something that is decent, that is average at best, can be, and is, in the minds of some, the greatest of all time.
That is basically what I said when I clearly stated; "Everyone should of course grow what they want to grow and if they are satisfied, that's great."
So, if you had friends that you know are highly skilled growers and they grew genetics from some breeder and you sampled them and all of you, you and your friends were not at all impressed, you would consider that to not be having; "any personal knowledge of it?" Does someone have to pay their own money and do the actual growing of a strain or strains to be able to have; "personal knowledge of" them?
It says I am honest. What you are doing is being an apologist for Nirvana and attempting to cover up the truth and in doing so possibly causing others to spend their money on inferior genetics. What sort of reputation do you think you are creating for yourself by doing that?
How can you call what I have learned from my exposure to various Nirvana strains and what friends have learned from various Nirvana strains a "baseless opinion?"
You are attempting to create a false reality so you can then argue against it, against what you want to argue against rather than argue against reality.
Plus you are exempting many years of many horror stories about Nirvana that have been posted on numerous sites like this. No, they are not personal experiences of mine, but considering the massive number of them it is a virtual impossibility that at least a fair percentage of them were honest and valid complaints.
Again that is you attempting to create a false reality that you can fight against because you are incapable of overcoming reality.
The key words, the most important words you said there were; "on here," That totally leaves out what is said elsewhere on similar sites and what has been said over the years on many sites that are now defunct, long gone, that no longer exist, where on all of them people do not often say kind things about Nirvana.
Again with the attempt of creating a false reality.
I cannot tell you how many strains from Nirvana that I have sampled over the years, but I can say that I have gotten high since 1968 and that I have grown since 1972. I can also say there are few famous name strains, both prior to the advent of professional breeders and seedbanks, and after that I have not either grown and smoked or just smoked in my now 43 years of toking and in my actual real true-life experience, something you have attempted to claim never existed, I have never run across a single Nirvana strain that was good enough for me to want to spend my money on. There has always been not only better strains, but far better strains to grow.
Now if you want more about Nirvana then I can add something that was told in a thread here about a year or year and a half ago and that also happened to one of my friends who had grown Nirvana strains and then placed an order he never received.
In both cases they were given the runaround. In both cases they were persistent and supplied proof of payment. In both cases Nirvana could not, or would not supply proof of shipment. In both cases after pressing their argument Nirvana's response was to just drop the whole thing. Nirvana said they had both customer's personal information and if they would not drop their complaints Nirvana would pass on their information to the customer's local law enforcement agency.
I cannot swear that the person who started the thread here and posted email exchanges did not make the whole thing up, but in the case of one of my friends, I did personally see and read the threat sent by Nirvana in an email response.
As I said, in the case of the thread here, I cannot swear to the honesty of it, but it was started by a fairly long time member and not someone with 1 or 3 or 8 posts like most complaint thread starters have.
But in the case of my friend I do know he placed his order. I do know that he was charged by Nirvana. I do know that there was never any shipping information sent to him. I do know that he never received his order. I do know that he was persistent and tried very hard to get Nirvana to ship the order he placed and they charged him for. And I do know that he was threatened by Nirvana, that Nirvana's final response was drop your complaint or we will pass on your personal information to your local law enforcement agency.
That is a fact, not a story, but instead it is an actual fact.
Now who in their right mind would ever want to do business with a breeder/seed vendor like that?
Here is a message from the 420 Magazine forums - 12-19-2006, 10:38 PM
Then there is this about Nirvana. It is more about Nirvana as a business than about genetics, but it still says a lot about Nirvana.
Here is something going back to 2003, which is well before MANY members here even got high for their first time let alone tried growing. Again it tells you what sort of business Nirvana is and has been all along.
bangkok101
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very interesting, i just think that some people get lucky and some people are very unlucky with seeds of course.
Serapis
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That's a lot to digest BT, much of it happening before I even came on the scene online. Even the blogger bragged about Nirvana's good product, he was just upset over getting stiffed on affiliate sales, and i don't blame him. That has nothing to do with the quality that you often smack down. I've been smoking weed almost as long as you. It keeps getting better it seems, as time goes on. My only point was that Nirvana quality is there, their shit rocks... In my feeble minded opinion... I don't know about all of the other politics and shit, but the quality is there, and I'll continue to do business with them because of my past, PERSONAL, experience.
I understand why you don't like Nirvana now, but none of your arguments or reasons ahve anything to do with quality and that is my point all along. Thanks for helping me make it.
No it isn't, it was by your own damn admission that you have never tried any Nirvana strain and you wouldn't pay a turd for their seeds.....
Your words BT, not mine.... based on that statement alone, you have no business discussing quality of their strains because you simply do not know, unless of course you are now backtracking that statement....
I understand why you don't like Nirvana now, but none of your arguments or reasons ahve anything to do with quality and that is my point all along. Thanks for helping me make it.
Brick Top
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I made no mention of quality in that part of my post because that portion was not about quality, or lack thereof, but instead about one of the numerous dishonest business practices of Nirvana. I said; "Here is something going back to 2003, which is well before MANY members here even got high for their first time let alone tried growing. Again it tells you what sort of business Nirvana is and has been all along."
There is yet another attempt to create a false reality on your part so you would then have a leg to stand on. I said I had never purchased or grown any Nirvana strains, but I never said that I never knew anyone who did and that I had never sampled/smoked any. That was a creation of your mind and not something I ever said.
Again, it's false reality time on your part. I clearly stated that I have known growers, darn good growers, who have grown Nirvana strains and that I have smoked what they grew. Based on their complaints and on their evaluation of quality, my evaluation of quality, the fact that over the many years I have hung around on sites like this I have never seen any big name breeder/seed vendor receive anywhere near as many complaints and adding to that the fact that Nirvana has given out customers personal information and threatened to do the same with others, one that I personally know, and that they are known for dishonest business practices like not paying their affiliate dealers and for trying to duplicate other breeders packaging in an attempt to fool people into believing that their low quality strains were actually those of a high quality breeders all combined are enough for me to once again say that I would not trade a single tiny piece of dried cat shit for every seed Nirvana has in inventory.
Tell me, what is the color of the sky in the little world you have created for yourself to live in? You cannot live in the same world I live in because I live in reality and you continually attempt to create one false reality after another just so you can reply again in hope of regaining some tiny shred of credibility.
I have said repeatedly that I have friends that have grown Nirvana strains and that I have smoked them and that both my friends and I have found them to be of low quality in relation to high quality breeders strains.
Is that to tremendously difficult for you to remember? I sure have to guess it is since you keep attempting to create a false reality and incorrectly say that I have never had any experience with Nirvana strains. The only experience I have not had with any Nirvana strains is that of wasting my money on them or growing them myself, but I have smoked a number of them over the years and I was not at all impressed by any of them, certainly not enough to risk spending my money on something that might never be delivered and that could have a 1% successful germ rate or turn out to be a strain that was not what I actually ordered or if my order was never received and I complained that my personal information would be given out, or at least threatened to be given to my local law enforcement agency.
If you bother to reply please make an attempt to remain within reality and not make any more attempts to create false realities just so you can then have something to argue over that you believe will win you some points and help you gain back some slight shred of credibility. Each time you create another of your false realities your chances of ever being seen as being credible lessen and lessen and lessen. You have done it so many times already that you may already be way past the point of no return, but you might as well at least make some attempt at sticking with true reality. At this point it sure can't hurt you anywhere near as much as your failed attempts to create false realities have.
Serapis
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The only false realities are coming from your head my man.... Here are your earlier words, word for fucking word 
You can also back off the personal insults BT.... I live in the same fucking world you do buddy, I just don't copy and paste 90% of my fucking posts on this site like you do....
and here you are again commenting on quality of a product you claim to have never spent a cent on...
Would you care to critique for us a restaurant that you have never eaten at? I'm sure you could do it
as far as credibility goes...... I'm very satisfied with mine. I don't make conclusions based on what others say.... You obviously do..... in fact you quoted quite a few other people that HAD ACTUAL experiences with Nirvana, and you have no idea of both sides of the stories you presented...
That is not taken out of context or anything.... You made the statement 3 posts ago on this very same thread....
You can also back off the personal insults BT.... I live in the same fucking world you do buddy, I just don't copy and paste 90% of my fucking posts on this site like you do....
and here you are again commenting on quality of a product you claim to have never spent a cent on...
They don't lack quality.... I know good weed when I smoke it. My only point is your claim of nil or bad quality is pure bull shit and simply the opinion of a bitter man that by his own admission, would never and has never spent a dime at Nirvana....
Would you care to critique for us a restaurant that you have never eaten at? I'm sure you could do it
as far as credibility goes...... I'm very satisfied with mine. I don't make conclusions based on what others say.... You obviously do..... in fact you quoted quite a few other people that HAD ACTUAL experiences with Nirvana, and you have no idea of both sides of the stories you presented...