Does anyone want to receive Spiritual Enlightenment?

Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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If you are attached to ideas and ideologies such as God and religion you should let go of that attachment if you truly want to attain Enlightenment
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It seems as if you, yourself, are attached to a certain idea of enlightenment, or an idea of how to be saved. This is contradictory to your thinking. Talk about ego... you are the one regurgitating your egotistical opinion of how to achieve enlightenment, and you are doing a shitty job of it... we need instructions, exact, to the point, without contradictions and doubt, and you provide us with nothing of that sort.


If you understand this then you are now in Paradise, welcome to Eternity, welcome to the Kingdom of Heaven, it is your home and you will never leave it, you are Eternal Life and you will always be Eternal Life, untouched by time, you are the container of all Space-Time, you are what allows the universe to exist, you are as much God/Goddess as words could ever say.
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I wonder what the hundreds of thousands of starving children and parents in 3rd country regions around the world would have to say to that...

To me, that sounds very unkind, and tediously disgusting, especially taking into consideration the pain and suffering of half of the worlds population around this miniscule planet.





It's easy to spout unproven ideas and opinions when you aren't starving to death or struggling to survive... when your every moment isn't concentrating on survival... but you wouldn't have any idea of how that feels, and neither do i. WE HAVE THE FUCKING INTERNET.
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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Zaehet Strife said:
It seems as if you, yourself, are attached to a certain idea of enlightenment, or an idea of how to be saved. This is contradictory to your thinking. Talk about ego... you are the one regurgitating your egotistical opinion of how to achieve enlightenment, and you are doing a shitty job of it... we need instructions, exact, to the point, without contradictions and doubt, and you provide us with nothing of that sort.




I wonder what the hundreds of thousands of starving children and parents in 3rd country regions around the world would have to say to that...

To me, that sounds very unkind, and tediously disgusting, especially taking into consideration the pain and suffering of half of the worlds population around this miniscule planet.





It's easy to spout unproven ideas and opinions when you aren't starving to death or struggling to survive... when your every moment isn't concentrating on survival... but you wouldn't have any idea of how that feels, and neither do i. WE HAVE THE FUCKING INTERNET.
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No. He is on the right track. There's more to the enlightenment part. I feel a whole other side to the meaning and the story.
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
No. He is on the right track. There's more to the enlightenment part. I feel a whole other side to the meaning and the story.
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This explains nothing to me but your desperation that your beliefs and ideas be true... when the possibility will always exist that you, my friend, may be wrong about what you think is right, which is the exact case in every human animal on the planet.

The hardest thing for any human animal to accept, is that we may be wrong... lol
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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Zaehet Strife said:
This explains nothing to me but your desperation that your beliefs and ideas be true... when the possibility will always exist that you, my friend, may be wrong about what you think is right, which is the exact case in every human animal on the planet.

The hardest thing for any human animal to accept, is that we may be wrong... lol
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I called you mean in that other post before and got deleted. Case and point. I guess she deleted me because I said to get your head out of your ass. It was quick and flip and funny. I didn't think it was worth of delete but whatever-not my call. If you don't like what I say why not take your negativity somewhere else. If you can't say something nice, start a thread where all you do is put other's post that you don't like into the gutter. Maybe that will make you feel better about yourself.
 
sunni

sunni

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
I called you mean in that other post before and got deleted. Case and point. I guess she deleted me because I said to get your head out of your ass. It was quick and flip and funny. I didn't think it was worth of delete but whatever-not my call. If you don't like what I say why not take your negativity somewhere else. If you can't say something nice, start a thread where all you do is put other's post that you don't like into the gutter. Maybe that will make you feel better about yourself.
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actually i didnt delete it the religion mod did.
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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sunni said:
actually i didnt delete it the religion mod did.
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Sorry for the trouble. He is being so rude and in more threads than this one. A real bully. I have a quick temper when people's ideas get insulted. omg. I had a filter on that one too...it just is not right. But I'll behave. I can kill someone with kindness.
 
sunni

sunni

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
Sorry for the trouble. He is being so rude and in more threads than this one. A real bully. I have a quick temper when people's ideas get insulted. omg. I had a filter on that one too...it just is not right. But I'll behave. I can kill someone with kindness.
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haha the thing with bullies is to just ignore
 
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Kervork

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So god comes down slaps you on the forehead and explains the reason for your suffering. Then he leaves. You still suffer, but now you know why. Any improvement there for you?
Year after year you will struggle with that answer wondering why the fuck it doesn't alleviate your suffering nor give you the direction in life you hoped it would.

It takes ten years to get over the stench of enlightenment.

The answers give no solace, only the reason. Why would you expect knowing why to suddenly make your life fucking wonderful?

And as far as walking from New Mexico to California... I knew a homeless man in town. He used to walk all over the place. He walked the length of the appalachian trail. A minor feat considering he had to walk 2000 miles to get to the trailhead.
 
NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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Don't be so sensitive Chart. Zaehet is not the one for ad hominem attacks or personal insults. You're taking things personally. I don't recall him ever being "mean" to you or being a "bully". Crying foul is a common tactic by people that don't have solid ground to stand on. Saying someone is wrong and pointing out inconsistencies in thought is not being a bully. It's not about being right or wrong, it's about arriving at the best possible answer. It's really team work if you think about it. :)
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Kervork said:
So god comes down slaps you on the forehead and explains the reason for your suffering. Then he leaves. You still suffer, but now you know why. Any improvement there for you?
Year after year you will struggle with that answer wondering why the fuck it doesn't alleviate your suffering nor give you the direction in life you hoped it would.

It takes ten years to get over the stench of enlightenment.

The answers give no solace, only the reason. Why would you expect knowing why to suddenly make your life fucking wonderful
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I think you make an extremely valid point, and i don't want your comment to go unnoticed.





Also, i'm sorry if i came off as being mean... i know i do that sometimes. But how can you tell people to let go of their attachment to their ideas when you yourself can't? It seems preposterous to me to hold a double standard like that.

It also sickens me, when humans attempt to say that "if you would only believe in this idea, your life will be complete and you can attain peace and happiness" when there are people in the world in this exact moment who are in extreme amounts of pain and suffering... who are dying of thirst and starvation. No idea is going to help anyone unless they have enough food and clean water to drink.

The world isn't as happy and comfortable for everyone as our country would like you to believe, it is full of misery and terror, greed and unfairness, pain and suffering. Just because we have warm beds to sleep in at night, does not mean that everyone does. This is not the case at all.

Most of us in wealthy countries have the time to worry about what we can do differently to make us happy, how we can be happy with accepting different ideas and ideologies while we have fucking full stomachs, we can buy anything we want with enough money, we can drive around in cars, see places we've never seen and go places we've never been. And we STILL complain, we still say our life is incomplete and try to give ourselves excuses to believe in some idea that will give us hope in a world that is not complete. Most people do not have access to any of these things, nor do they have any of those privileges. They are worrying about survival, whether or not they are going to eat today, or get sick from the water they drink. It is wise, in my opinion, to never forget this.

Maybe if we remember these things, we'll stop being so damn selfish and try to do something about the pain, suffering and inequality in the world... rather than accepting the world the way it is and pretending everything will be ok if only we believe in a certain idea.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Chartreuse Spruce said:
Sorry for the trouble. He is being so rude and in more threads than this one. A real bully. I have a quick temper when people's ideas get insulted. omg. I had a filter on that one too...it just is not right. But I'll behave. I can kill someone with kindness.
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Sad and useless is the idea which shrinks from scrutiny and employs the hurt card. If you can not separate your ideas from your person, then you probably shouldn't be hanging out in the philosophy section. People are provided this forum and protected from personal abuse, their ideas however, enjoy no such protection. If your ideas are too fragile to endure comments then maybe you shouldn't declare them publicly until you take the time to strengthen them.
 
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Chartreuse Spruce

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I didn't declare anything publically. Nor did I post anything about people letting go of their ideas. That wasn't me. I don't claim to know certainty of anything. I don't want to push my view or fight with someone on their beliefs or criticize them for what they think and feel. Live and let live. This was not my posts or my thread. All I said was the OP was on the right track. As for my whole thing with getting my panties in such a bunch yesterday...it was in another thread where I mentioned something, only biblical or historical scholars know. I was ridiculed. It pissed me off. Big deal. But just because you have never heard of something does not make it untrue. Just because someone has a different view from mine does not give them the right to put mine down. And I don't need to make my beliefs more solid before I speak of them. I just wont share anything else here. The end. who cares? no one.
 
New Age United

New Age United

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Zaehet and Kervork, you are some serious people, serious serious people, "you will recieve the kingdom like a child or you will not recieve it all", it is tragic that so many people are starving around the world, but I don't think Enlightenment is to blame for that, I think unconsciousness is to blame, living in a material world where selfeshness and greed is your master, it's ok, it's ok.

Attatchment to an idea, this is not about ideas it is about letting go of idealogy, yes that is a very good point Nietzsche, it is about arriving at the Truth and it is most definately about teamwork, I am no messiah. "The point of an argument is not to win the argument it is to seek the truth" Plato, "if you were to lose a gold coin, do you think I would not try to help you find it" Plato
 
New Age United

New Age United

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I like that Heisenberg, and I like the signature, both prove good points. Strictly my opinion, even the Truth is not actually important, the Truth is the Truth and nothing more. The fact that things do evolve reveals to humanity that there is a higher consciousness at work in the universe. "All man came from the germ cell" The Quran
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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New Age United said:
I like that Heisenberg, and I like the signature, both prove good points. Strictly my opinion, even the Truth is not actually important, the Truth is the Truth and nothing more. The fact that things do evolve reveals to humanity that there is a higher consciousness at work in the universe. "All man came from the germ cell" The Quran
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New Age United

New Age United

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Very good point, I can always argue against myself, you can always go with Newtons clockwork universe, that makes sense too, it very well could be a dead universe, but I prefer to just open my eyes and see what is right infront of me, this Paradise is just full of Life and Energy.
 
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