Do you belive in UFO's?
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smokebomb1
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Most people say they dont believe in alien life or UFOs because they have never seen them. If that is the case, would just seeing them make you a believer? Maybe a landing or attack, some physical contact. This mentality is so predictable from people too afraid to believe that there might actualy be other intelligence out there. Tell me this, do you believe in GOD? Ever see him? Hmmmm. Didnt think so. But seeing is believing right. Lol.
mindphuk
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Saying that you don't believe there is alien life and believing that intelligent alien life has not visited earth are two different sets rational thought. I have never heard of anyone afraid there is actually other intelligence out there and in fact, most of the skeptics I know think there probably is. You are correct that some sort of physical evidence would be helpful in convincing skeptics. It doesn't even have to be direct contact, just something more than people's stories.
Also take note that a UFO is not an alien spacecraft, no matter how much the term is misused. Seeing a UFO does NOT equate to seeing intelligent alien life. The very fact that something is unidentified is contrary to the claim that it is in fact a extraterrestrial spacecraft. UFO by the very definition means YOU DON'T KNOW what it is.
BTW, visitation from alien species is way more probable than the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient deity.
newworldicon
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You proved my point which is that you cannot say for certain whether its true or not, its like throwing a hubcap into the air and taking a picture then saying you've debunked the ufo theory, it proves nothing more than you can replicate the picture so the possibility still remains. Allow me to also point out that you state very clearly that to you it "indicates" that people were "trying" to visualize things they imagined. Of all the things to imagine they would imagine round flying objects in the sky thousands of years ago. Which is more plausible in reality?
Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?
newworldicon
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So very true. How could one use this as evidence? It's like saying just because poisonous berries were identified as poisonous hundreds of years ago, maybe they weren't poisonous back then and it's just been a lie all along?
I believe we've evolved a lot over thousands of years... but people have more than likely always imagined things.
Want some berries newworldicon?
It's always better not to assume too much, I mentioned the paintings as an example of the possibility, Let me ask you something then, how would one imagine a round shiny silver flying disc in the sky then paint it into a religious painting some 500 years ago without any suggestive thought brought about by an existing visual. I know we as humans like to think ourselves special but the truth is most of our thoughts or visions be they creative or not are derised from something we thought or saw on a subconscious level from memory. Very little of what comes out of our heads is that original.
smokebomb1
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mind, i am perfectly aware of your points. My point is that all the people around the world who believe in (so called) GOD have never seen this entity. I'm sure there are those who believe in GOD and have never seen him but dont believe in intelligence from elsewhere. It is truly hard to believe that this is the mindset of millions of people around the world. I for one have never seen either, but i still believe that with all the evidence presented to me, there is intelligence out there somewhere and i believe that evidence over any kind that has ever been presented to me about a so called GOD. It's not even evidence its theory. I dont want to make this a religious bitch session but facts are facts. Want fiction, read the bible. Want facts, study the earth. Its all here for the taking.
thump easy
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the eligal kind lolz how did you know?
smokebomb1
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Newworld, i believe your on the same path that im on, it is true that thousands of years ago people carved, etched and painted things on and into rock. Even in Egypt there are very good depictions of craft and saucers flying about. I doubt very much that someone took the painstaking time to carve pictures into rock that were fake.
newworldicon
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How many people on the flight took this approach to the sightings? And how many people thought it may have just been a military exercise that was necessary to be kept secret for defence purposes?
Everyone may have gone along with the theme of the moment whilst on the flight but sceptical ones would definitely have thought it over and may have come to a different assumption.
What I'm really trying to say is that, that doesn't really prove anything. But hey... this is an opinionated topic and everyone's entitled to their own.
You are right and I am glad I read you say that. But the fact still remains that it was either top secret military or private flying craft or it was in fact beings from another planet. I too have witnessed a craft that was chrome and cylindrical shaped hover at night over the park close to my home. If it was human made it was seriously f**king advanced because when it lifted and shot off it was super quick, aerodynamics were thrown completely out the window on this object. When I started to research it I began to see other ufo pics of the same shape. To this day I do not know who or what was in there but it sure was beyond belief. I do pose the question though based on what I witnessed, do we as humans really know enough to build what I saw? To me it at the very least means that it's possible. Please also realize that for a person to actually admit this sort of thing is brave because the world has taught you to laugh it off in an instant.
newworldicon
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I don't think that a plane full of people watching these things for hours as he says can mistake it for some northern lights. It's just not a plausible argument!
newworldicon
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It's time you took a deep breath, whilst it is true that it is very difficult to prove an implant is alien, there are documented videos of implants miraculously dissolving whilst attempting to remove them. Check Dr. Leir and Sherry Shriner.
newworldicon
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For the most part you are right only because there has been so much discrediting of the subject for so long. Hence now as a human species we require seeing aliens walking up to us and shaking hands, unfortunately that is a lot to ask for acceptance. Have you ever pondered the reasoning behind all the discrediting?
newworldicon
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I always try to understand why they would do it, and yes it was a painstaking task so not without reason. There are civilisations all across the world that depict the same things yet for thousands of years never knew the other existed across the planet. What about vimanas of India and Pakistan. The tibetan monks have records of other beings visiting earth, loads of this sort of thing..
mindphuk
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Context man. I wasn't claiming nanotechnology doesn't exist. The quote I responded to was claiming nano chips of ET origin. You can't show current state of our nano-tech to support the claim that alien chips have been found in people.
mindphuk
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I'm not about to do your research. If you have some evidence, present it. Citing this doctor or that doctor saw this or that is still just hearsay. Funny how all of the alien tech that people find somehow 'dissolves' when skeptics want to examine it.
Ringsixty
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Never believed in Leprechauns. Till I met an Irish Midget at a bar....
Seriously, I don't believe in UFO's
newworldicon
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It also does not disprove that it's alien in origin, without a benchmark to reference against how would we ever know whats alien or human considering we are constantly coming up against hidden tech.
newworldicon
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You wouldn't be doing my research, I've done it already. It's for you to do, not too hard a task, all you have to do is google and read. You can try all you want with the cyber crap of " You make the claim so post the info" but I don't buy into it. Essentially you are arguing about who takes the time to post a link...ridiculous frankly.
By the way the research and info does not prove that implants or chips are alien but it conclusively proves they are there. This absence however does not disprove anything....as an common example of this train of thought we thought the earth was flat at some point.
I think it's also apt at this point to point out that you seem to come across as though I am an absolute believer and you need to refute me and fight your view to hell and gone, relax, it's a conversation not an argument!
Believe me when I say that I want un-refutable evidence as much as anyone, but the fact remains that without having an open mind you will never get closer to the truth. As of right now I think it's a human deception meant for humans to cloak a possible negative alien existence, but who knows..
PS. If you took the time to check out Dr. Leir videos you can actually see the entire process under the knife including the scans, x-rays and operation, the chips seem to melt or dissolve leaving just a black type of dust. Weird but at the very least interesting. Although this is not the norm, rather an anomaly. What's interesting is any recovered chips are usually untraceable to a known manufacturer which only serves to open more questions.
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