Do I have all the nutes I need?
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Harrekin
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What these other "morons" are trying to tell you is you paid ALOT for a whole load of pointless rubbish.
My base nutes contain all the chemical elements the plants need to grow, and that's all they need. Supplements usually mean the base nutes are lacking to begin with and thus meaning you bought from the wrong company. Most "complete" nutes cos about $15 a bottle, so for veg and bloom you're talking $30 max to get the same quality and quantity of product you'll get from $375.
You should also bear in mind most of the people saying you overspent are the people with alot of experience on here.
Ultimately it's up to you what you use, but in time with experience you'll no doubt get sick of and realise all those bottles are basically pointless and more a sign of good marketing than a good product.
grandaddypurped
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You are very opinionated.
First off, my base nutes (Master A & B) also contain everything my plants need to grow, and that's all they need...BUT they will not be grown to their maximum potential only using this simple, basic concept.
If I didnt want my bud to be the best it could possibly be, sure, I would spend $30 or $40 and not think twice about it and settle for what I got off of it. I would probably use this "basic" feeding chart... http://humboldtnutrients.com/wp-content/uploads/Master-A-&-B-Basic.png
HOWEVER, when it comes to my bud, I dont want to "settle" for anything less than amazing. I want some fucking pressure...so I'll be using a "premium" feeding chart, like this... http://humboldtnutrients.com/wp-content/uploads/Master-A-&-B-Amended.png
Thanks for the input though.
Harrekin
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And you really think all that stuff is gonna make your bud better than if you just used complete base nutes? Where's the science or logic supporting such an idea? What about that list will make it better?
Btw, pre harvest flushing in soil is a myth, so the flushing solution you got is pretty pointless...seems like they're good salesmen tho.
Btw, pre harvest flushing in soil is a myth, so the flushing solution you got is pretty pointless...seems like they're good salesmen tho.
splifchris
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Yeah i agree with the morons... spending 400 quid on fertilizer is completely redicularse!!! A good light, good genetics, great soil, minimum amounts of a good base nutes and lots of love and care will give you great results!!!! Send them back and buy some books on the subject!!!
grandaddypurped
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Already got the literature.
grandaddypurped
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I'll start a journal here soon enough and we will see how the results come out. I will use my regular feeding schedule on all but one or two plants so I can see what "all this stuff" will really do for these beautiful bitches. Do a little bit of research on these nutes... http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/
and see exactly how they benefit the plant in so many different ways.
Just as one small example, I had some clones from a dispensary i got a while back and transplanted them into 2 gallon pots. It took them 15 days to get rootbound, which wasnt necessarily bad...
Got some more clones about 10 days ago and got some Humboldt Roots to use in addition to base nutes (Master A & B, Verde)....took 7 days till rootbound in 2 gal pots. That's a big difference. Massive daily increases in growth so far in 5 gal. buckets. Got them under this 1500W HPS still. Got a 1000W MH and 2 other 1500W HPS that I'm not using right now. I plan on putting up the MH in a couple of days and the 2 HPS during flowering.
What salesmen are you talking about? I did every bit of my research online just so I could avoid the salesman's pitch.
Harrekin
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Em you realise the "research" you did on their website doesn't really count as research right? The whole purpose of a companies website is to sell their products.
Speeding up the time it takes to get rootbound doesn't really prove anything. Large roots take up much less water/nutes than large clusters of smaller "hairy" roots.
The myco supplements you're using also don't take effect until a month or so after you apply them because they have to colonise the roots and reproduce. Hope you're not using pH up or down with them either, the soil microbiology that you're trying to encourage doesn't take kindly to acids or bases.
I really think you need to take the time to read some basic plant biology and horticulture, not just some grow-bible rubbish, because most of the supplements you named have a questionable effectiveness, just because the manufacturer says it does A doesn't mean it does A.
My point being is why do you think farmers or people engaged in other intensive agriculture dont use all the potions, etc?
Speeding up the time it takes to get rootbound doesn't really prove anything. Large roots take up much less water/nutes than large clusters of smaller "hairy" roots.
The myco supplements you're using also don't take effect until a month or so after you apply them because they have to colonise the roots and reproduce. Hope you're not using pH up or down with them either, the soil microbiology that you're trying to encourage doesn't take kindly to acids or bases.
I really think you need to take the time to read some basic plant biology and horticulture, not just some grow-bible rubbish, because most of the supplements you named have a questionable effectiveness, just because the manufacturer says it does A doesn't mean it does A.
My point being is why do you think farmers or people engaged in other intensive agriculture dont use all the potions, etc?
DontTaxMeBro
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What a waste my friend. You fell to the corporate game of advanced marketing. I too once bought more nutrients than I needed when I first started back in my rookie years. You need maybe 3 or 4 bottles, tops.
Its not the cost as much as having to mix all those bottles day in and day out. It gets frustrating. Did I mention the cost.
Its not the cost as much as having to mix all those bottles day in and day out. It gets frustrating. Did I mention the cost.
matthebrute
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First of all the title of the tread says "do i have all the nutes i need?"
well the answer is yes, but hey with nutes its always the more the better just make sure you crank up them dosages as well and them plants will be beast
well the answer is yes, but hey with nutes its always the more the better just make sure you crank up them dosages as well and them plants will be beast
bigv1976
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I am not sure where you got the opinion that more is better when talking about nutes. Too much fert will kill your plants and most of the reputable breeders I know of say less is more. A good grower will usually let the gentics do what they do without filling them full of chemicals. More is definjately not better.
Harrekin
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Couldn't agree more, you only give them enough that they're not deficient.
OP we're not ragging on you or flaming, just you called us morons and assume to know better and we're just trying to show you otherwise. Why learn the hard way when the experience is there for you to tap into?
grandaddypurped
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When I posted abt the other "morons" I was talking about those who would take the time to comment abt how much money they cost instead of giving any advice or constructive criticizm on the subject. No offense to anyone who has posted anything more than "you overspent" or "i have a bridge for sale in brooklyn"...
That feeding chart is insane!
Why would you go through all that to grow a frickin weed? There is nothing special about these plants. You don't need any special potions. In fact if anything you need less than many other plants. Save your money and use the KISS method. Keep It Simple S...
Why would you go through all that to grow a frickin weed? There is nothing special about these plants. You don't need any special potions. In fact if anything you need less than many other plants. Save your money and use the KISS method. Keep It Simple S...
grandaddypurped
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I figured I'd give 'em a shot. HN (like most other nute companies) seems to be pretty much targeted at marijuana growers. If all else fails, I will fall back to just using a few of them, but I at least do want to see what will come out of the plants by using the full feeding schedule.
CR500ROOST
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You should have bought advanced nutrients whole line up .
Harrekin
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CR500ROOST
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Dude heed needs better results so he needs more nutrient bottle can't you see.He likes wasting money so advance nutrients would be a awesome place to start.