DIRTY WHITE BUD SUCKS

CashCrops

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I did not say I was a lawyer. I am just saying you can't run around posting trash about companies. They can come after you but I doubt this seed company would.

A moron yes he is, the name of the strain is Dirty White Bud, not Boy he does not even know what he is growing ;-)
Mota: Your honor, I breed marijuana for a living and sell seeds around the world. I gave some for free to this guy and he called my stuff crap! I want money.
Judge: Are you fucking serious? get the fuck out of my court

That's how it would play out, pfff
 

COGrown

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An excellent point, and the reason this is a one and done adventure for me!

I'm still scratching my head about how true herms make it into an F2 round at all. That's one side of the coin. The other is it was indeed a testing round.

Definitely needs more work, that's for damn sure.[/QUOTE
If so, then it's one hell of a coincidence I got two herms- and considering how long those odds are, I'm being the much shorter odds of 'shortcut' are more likely.

How unstable are any of the original parents it was crossed with? How many of THEM show strong hermaphroditic tendencies? None, which makes this even stranger.
OK, couple things..... First off, while it any not seem to important that the name of the strain is dirty white bud and not dirty white boy, since dirty white boy is the forum handle of a now deceased grower this strain was named in tribute of, the error and thread title are particularly regrettable. Secondly, this was a germination test, which is the most basic level of testing. Testing for intersex behavior and the like is generally the next phase. Thirdly, it is true that you will generally see the most variation, and most undesirable phenotypes, in the f2 generation. this is the generation you would actually likely see the most of this behavior in. Finally, the white is an go cut, and honestly you should expect the possibility of intersex behavior in any og cross, especially in an f2 as the trait is recessive and would likely be present but not observable in a number of f1 males and females. Picking a male that doesn't carry the intersex trait can be particularly frustrating (ask swerve) and can really only be accomplished through extensive testing, the kind you volunteered for. Lastly I just want to throw out there that there are several documented Dirty White Bud grows out there, using the f1 beans (which are the commercially available ones) that have great results, so I don't think Mota was being negligent or irresponsible in creating f2s, again, these were test beans and while the test results for you were negative, that is a vital part of the testing process.
 

Hazydat620

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OK, couple things..... First off, while it any not seem to important that the name of the strain is dirty white bud and not dirty white boy, since dirty white boy is the forum handle of a now deceased grower this strain was named in tribute of, the error and thread title are particularly regrettable. Secondly, this was a germination test, which is the most basic level of testing. Testing for intersex behavior and the like is generally the next phase. Thirdly, it is true that you will generally see the most variation, and most undesirable phenotypes, in the f2 generation. this is the generation you would actually likely see the most of this behavior in. Finally, the white is an go cut, and honestly you should expect the possibility of intersex behavior in any og cross, especially in an f2 as the trait is recessive and would likely be present but not observable in a number of f1 males and females. Picking a male that doesn't carry the intersex trait can be particularly frustrating (ask swerve) and can really only be accomplished through extensive testing, the kind you volunteered for. Lastly I just want to throw out there that there are several documented Dirty White Bud grows out there, using the f1 beans (which are the commercially available ones) that have great results, so I don't think Mota was being negligent or irresponsible in creating f2s, again, these were test beans and while the test results for you were negative, that is a vital part of the testing process.
Just about sums it all right there. Too bad OP didn't receive this info from his "Pro" buddies before making this thread, would have save a lot of grief and embarrassment for himself. Knowledge is power @ttystikk.
 

ttystikk

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OK, couple things..... First off, while it any not seem to important that the name of the strain is dirty white bud and not dirty white boy, since dirty white boy is the forum handle of a now deceased grower this strain was named in tribute of, the error and thread title are particularly regrettable. Secondly, this was a germination test, which is the most basic level of testing. Testing for intersex behavior and the like is generally the next phase. Thirdly, it is true that you will generally see the most variation, and most undesirable phenotypes, in the f2 generation. this is the generation you would actually likely see the most of this behavior in. Finally, the white is an go cut, and honestly you should expect the possibility of intersex behavior in any og cross, especially in an f2 as the trait is recessive and would likely be present but not observable in a number of f1 males and females. Picking a male that doesn't carry the intersex trait can be particularly frustrating (ask swerve) and can really only be accomplished through extensive testing, the kind you volunteered for. Lastly I just want to throw out there that there are several documented Dirty White Bud grows out there, using the f1 beans (which are the commercially available ones) that have great results, so I don't think Mota was being negligent or irresponsible in creating f2s, again, these were test beans and while the test results for you were negative, that is a vital part of the testing process.
No, he's NOT dead. He went to jail for awhile and his ex-wife started that rumor. I'm sure, he's been in touch with me.

The rest of your post is interesting, informative and gives great contextual background. Thank you.
 

Thecouchlock

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Two of the three surviving females were TRUE hermaphrodite- that is, they spit male flowers first, before any female parts. That's something that shouldn't ever get near an F2.

I'm no breeder but I get to call bullshit when I see it, that's what these forums are for.

Otherwise, any unscrupulous moron could chuck pollen and call it what they want, quality be damned. If that's not how Mota Rebel really does business, the quality of their response will speak for itself, right here.
If they threw balls before they flowered maybe your just a retard and don't realize you were wrong and they were males.
 

OGEvilgenius

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If so, then it's one hell of a coincidence I got two herms- and considering how long those odds are, I'm being the much shorter odds of 'shortcut' are more likely.

How unstable are any of the original parents it was crossed with? How many of THEM show strong hermaphroditic tendencies? None, which makes this even stranger.
If both parents had the gene it wouldn't be that long odds at all. If it's a single recessive it would show in around 25% of plants. It's probably more complicated than this though and there are likely other variables we haven't considered and do not know (at least those of us commenting).
 

ttystikk

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If they threw balls before they flowered maybe your just a retard and don't realize you were wrong and they were males.
Almost forty combined years of growing experience looked at these, caught one early and the second one was just totally incognito, the early flowers totally hidden beneath/inside later female structures.

...which makes them hermaphrodite, rather than us retards.
 

ttystikk

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If both parents had the gene it wouldn't be that long odds at all. If it's a single recessive it would show in around 25% of plants. It's probably more complicated than this though and there are likely other variables we haven't considered and do not know (at least those of us commenting).
At this point Mota Rebel certainly gets the benefit of the doubt and I get a lesson in genetics- and a free case study in why production and breeding should stay the Fuck out of each other's hair, lol
 

Thecouchlock

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Almost forty combined years of growing experience looked at these, caught one early and the second one was just totally incognito, the early flowers totally hidden beneath/inside later female structures.

...which makes them hermaphrodite, rather than us retards.
I'm not quite sure you ride the big bus just yet little buddy
 

Mr.Head

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why on earth would someone give out seeds for a germ test? can he not germ 1000 seeds himself and scrap em? If people aren't supposed to grow out the plants to completion he shouldn't send out the seeds.

That makes no sense to me. Most folks germ methods are out there, the breeder should try them all himself before sending them out, or in a close knit circle.

What good is a germ. test if the genetics he is working with are garbage?. "I wanted to know if my hermies would germ before I go and make more hermies?"

This is the first time I've ever heard of a germ. test being public. Granted I'm fairly new. If you're breeding and making seeds that might not germ you are doing something wrong in the first damn place. That needs to be addressed before he tries to make shit to go public.

Are there any other breeders that do Germ. tests? Why would he not give 50 seeds to some buddies he knew personally and say sprout these and toss em? Instead he gives them out publicly to, of course, receive backlash.

Side Note : My Grape Stomper OG's did something similar, I paid a lot for them, they flowered out fine after taking the nuts off and are actually quite good smoke. Very strong.
 

althor

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why on earth would someone give out seeds for a germ test? can he not germ 1000 seeds himself and scrap em? If people aren't supposed to grow out the plants to completion he shouldn't send out the seeds.

That makes no sense to me. Most folks germ methods are out there, the breeder should try them all himself before sending them out, or in a close knit circle.

What good is a germ. test if the genetics he is working with are garbage?. "I wanted to know if my hermies would germ before I go and make more hermies?"

This is the first time I've ever heard of a germ. test being public. Granted I'm fairly new. If you're breeding and making seeds that might not germ you are doing something wrong in the first damn place. That needs to be addressed before he tries to make shit to go public.

Are there any other breeders that do Germ. tests? Why would he not give 50 seeds to some buddies he knew personally and say sprout these and toss em? Instead he gives them out publicly to, of course, receive backlash.

Side Note : My Grape Stomper OG's did something similar, I paid a lot for them, they flowered out fine after taking the nuts off and are actually quite good smoke. Very strong.
As others have continously pointed out in this thread is people do things different ways which is why they send out testers.
They may be 90% germ rate by Mota's method, but how about the guy that just drops them in a cup of water, or the other guy that uses heat, or the other guy that uses napkins, etc?
 

CashCrops

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why on earth would someone give out seeds for a germ test? can he not germ 1000 seeds himself and scrap em? If people aren't supposed to grow out the plants to completion he shouldn't send out the seeds.

That makes no sense to me. Most folks germ methods are out there, the breeder should try them all himself before sending them out, or in a close knit circle.

What good is a germ. test if the genetics he is working with are garbage?. "I wanted to know if my hermies would germ before I go and make more hermies?"

This is the first time I've ever heard of a germ. test being public. Granted I'm fairly new. If you're breeding and making seeds that might not germ you are doing something wrong in the first damn place. That needs to be addressed before he tries to make shit to go public.

Are there any other breeders that do Germ. tests? Why would he not give 50 seeds to some buddies he knew personally and say sprout these and toss em? Instead he gives them out publicly to, of course, receive backlash.

Side Note : My Grape Stomper OG's did something similar, I paid a lot for them, they flowered out fine after taking the nuts off and are actually quite good smoke. Very strong.
Numbers, If I make a cross and want to test it I too would send out to people I know. I wouldn't want 1000 plants at my location, the DEA would love that but I wouldn't.
 

Mr.Head

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As others have continously pointed out in this thread is people do things different ways which is why they send out testers.
They may be 90% germ rate by Mota's method, but how about the guy that just drops them in a cup of water, or the other guy that uses heat, or the other guy that uses napkins, etc?
and he can't do that himself?

I mean I germ seeds one way, but that doesn't mean I can't go grab a heat mat and try it that way. Or rapid rooters, jiffys, etc.etc.etc. This is an in house step IMO. I could, if I wanted to, germ 10,000 seeds in an 8x10 room and if it's a germ test then the risk would be negligible if they aren't up after 3-5 days from a fresh seed they are no good and start over.

I don't see why you would risk information like this guys getting out to the public.

Numbers, If I make a cross and want to test it I too would send out to people I know. I wouldn't want 1000 plants at my location, the DEA would love that but I wouldn't.
If the seeds crack open in a cup of water they are viable seeds. If something happens after that point where they won't grow it's most likely user error, too dry, too wet, too hot, too cold etc.etc.etc.etc. So instead of germing some seeds for his own tests he's sent out seeds for other people to germinate but not grow the plants out? that's fucking retarded logic to me.

What the fuck is he testing? do we smoke germinated seeds? or do we smoke finished preferably unseeded flowers? Like I said before if you are producing seeds that aren't viable on a regular basis and you need to test your germ rates you are doing something wrong as a breeder. That's my 2 cents. The fact he even has to test his germ rates out of house means I will never touch his gear, which won't be too hard considering I've never heard of him before.

Look I understand they are testers and shit can go wrong, if running testers one should expect things to go wrong out of a few seeds, but to send out seeds for a "germination test" is stupid as fuck. If the genetics are no good after germinating the seeds what the fuck was the point of making them in the first place? I don't get this whole thought process it's illogical. If this guy had this big of problem then the breeder probably would have too if he ran a few himself, obviously he wants to risk others spaces not his own.

Fuck lazy ass breeders that don't want to do the work man. No time for that shit personally speaking.
 

thump easy

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Numbers, If I make a cross and want to test it I too would send out to people I know. I wouldn't want 1000 plants at my location, the DEA would love that but I wouldn't.
Ads if most breeders aren't over stocked already. And as if this guy can't smash em in or flush em the federal has a no go already
 

thump easy

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If it s good it will crack if it comes from a sick plant it won't most the Times white or steel.. but why not do all the methodes yourself it's not splitting atoms lolz that means I'm over qualified for breeding?
 
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