Thanks A what height on nozzles? And your talking 3" net pots right?
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The 9 sites was just an example for nozzle placement, its upto you how many sites you want but 3" netpots wouldnt look out of place in a 4x4 chamber 
You`ll have to find the right height by trial and error as the nozzle`s flowrate will vary with height from the res. Pressure fed nozzles are less finicky because height doesnt affect the flowrate.
You`ll have to find the right height by trial and error as the nozzle`s flowrate will vary with height from the res. Pressure fed nozzles are less finicky because height doesnt affect the flowrate.
Well 9-12 is what I was planning but 9 is a more comfortable numberThe 9 sites was just an example for nozzle placement, its upto you how many sites you want but 3" netpots wouldnt look out of place in a 4x4 chamber
You`ll have to find the right height by trial and error as the nozzle`s flowrate will vary with height from the res. Pressure fed nozzles are less finicky because height doesnt affect the flowrate.
well I can adjust my res for that siphon height
And sense it's 20" in height I'm gna go with 10" I think should do for starters before I commit I'll fire them at that height and see how they do
And I'll try to fab a Chanel that the nozzle can slide up and down in to be able to manipulate the height at any time
Sounds good, here`s a simple mistproof seal for the channel.
http://www.doorhandlesdirect.co.uk/20/section.aspx/6103/white_standard_brush_letterbox_excluder
http://www.doorhandlesdirect.co.uk/20/section.aspx/6103/white_standard_brush_letterbox_excluder
Trichy Bastard
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Nice find- looks like the same bristles they use on the lower sides of escalators. I always joke around that they are to shine your shoes while your riding up the stairs hehe...
To complete the adjustable nozzle setup, you`ll need a length of this stuff
http://www.kregtool.com/MiniTrak-36-Prodview.html
Fix a piece of track either side of your letterbox draught excluder slot with countersunk stainless self tappers. Make a plate with a central hole to hold the nozzle and drill 2x 1/4" holes to match the track width. The heads of the 1/4" bolts slide in the track slot. A couple of wingnuts to clamp the plate and you`re all set.
http://www.kregtool.com/MiniTrak-36-Prodview.html
Fix a piece of track either side of your letterbox draught excluder slot with countersunk stainless self tappers. Make a plate with a central hole to hold the nozzle and drill 2x 1/4" holes to match the track width. The heads of the 1/4" bolts slide in the track slot. A couple of wingnuts to clamp the plate and you`re all set.
Trichy Bastard
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That setup would be really ideal for testing different siphon heights. I went the opposite route with static nozzle and dymanic res, but that's just b'cuzz I didn't wanna tear up the aerolife chamber too much. I am happy that at least I have a good handle on my chamber temps nowadays- even had to adjust the temps cuz it was too cold in there! My only question now is how the roots will handle sitting on the bottom of the res on top of the coils of 50 degree water...
Awesome A I'm gna get these ordered tonight thanks for that!!To complete the adjustable nozzle setup, you`ll need a length of this stuff
http://www.kregtool.com/MiniTrak-36-Prodview.html
Fix a piece of track either side of your letterbox draught excluder slot with countersunk stainless self tappers. Make a plate with a central hole to hold the nozzle and drill 2x 1/4" holes to match the track width. The heads of the 1/4" bolts slide in the track slot. A couple of wingnuts to clamp the plate and you`re all set.
Trichy Bastard
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Hey DH, it was brought to my attention by someone that you might do good with something like this if it's not already too late... http://almostairtight.com/about.htm
thnks tb its not to late im still waiting on a few things to come in but where would you apply this? on a peek door possibly
Trichy Bastard
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Well, like what Atomizer pointed out, you could fill your channel for the sliding nozzle height with this so the nozzle can be moved up/down in it's track with minimal air leakage around it. The bristles will just move out of the way where the nozzle sits... There are other ways to do this, but it's not a bad idea with this stuff.
Trichy Bastard
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Yessir... It's going to be a fun learning experience either way, this is the stuff very few people in the world understand, let alone get to play with
BTW, last night I put a healthier clone in my aerolife box (really it's the first decent one because the mother was in good shape). I took it from my hp cloner and it had developed a good looking rootstructure despite the fact my timer had failed a few times and let it dry out. I expect the roots will start exiting the netpot in the next day or so if I can keep the rockwool the proper amount of moistness (that's really been something hard for me to do for some reason)... I think after this I'm going to do like Atomizer and cut out a small hole in the middle of the bottom of my netpots, but leave some splines to catch the rockwool. This way I'll start leaving longer stems on my clones which will stick out the bottom of the netpot with a few roots that I can keep an eye on even before the rest poke out through the sides of the netpot and rockwool chunks. Oh yeah, and there was a rather good sized cockroach living in my aerolife chamber and who knows what it was doing to the roots down there, lol... (Obviously I removed it!) I was having some issues with my plants in the aerolife where the roots were browning and I suspect root-rot from a week I didn't add bleach. The chamber had a musty smell and the roots didn't look happy. Once I noticed, I started adding the bleach again, and it smells fine now, but the roots have never really took off again. I started thinking that the outsode of the netpots was being protected with the bleach, but the inner rockwool was probably still harboring the pythium (if that's what it was). Wish me luck and I'll keep the thread updated if I make any progress...
Mike Young
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That story sounds all to familiar. Now I got fucking gnats in my room. A couple of em found their way to my roots. Cause: Dtw can make you lazy. I catch my runoff in a shallow mixing tub, probably holds 5-6 gallons. It doesn't need to be pumped out very often (2 weeks max) and can turn into a stagnant mess. I usually pour a decent amount of bleach in every week or so, but got complacent... Think I got it in control bow, but damn. There always seems be be some sort of unforeseen hurdle to jump over.
That's another thing ill need to put together is a hp aero cloner while I wait for parts! Yea I'm not liking the rw cubes eitherYessir... It's going to be a fun learning experience either way, this is the stuff very few people in the world understand, let alone get to play with
BTW, last night I put a healthier clone in my aerolife box (really it's the first decent one because the mother was in good shape). I took it from my hp cloner and it had developed a good looking rootstructure despite the fact my timer had failed a few times and let it dry out. I expect the roots will start exiting the netpot in the next day or so if I can keep the rockwool the proper amount of moistness (that's really been something hard for me to do for some reason)... I think after this I'm going to do like Atomizer and cut out a small hole in the middle of the bottom of my netpots, but leave some splines to catch the rockwool. This way I'll start leaving longer stems on my clones which will stick out the bottom of the netpot with a few roots that I can keep an eye on even before the rest poke out through the sides of the netpot and rockwool chunks. Oh yeah, and there was a rather good sized cockroach living in my aerolife chamber and who knows what it was doing to the roots down there, lol... (Obviously I removed it!) I was having some issues with my plants in the aerolife where the roots were browning and I suspect root-rot from a week I didn't add bleach. The chamber had a musty smell and the roots didn't look happy. Once I noticed, I started adding the bleach again, and it smells fine now, but the roots have never really took off again. I started thinking that the outsode of the netpots was being protected with the bleach, but the inner rockwool was probably still harboring the pythium (if that's what it was). Wish me luck and I'll keep the thread updated if I make any progress...
try rapid rooter starter plugs I like those so far! Yea I noticesin my first run of hp aero my roots weren't as nice and took on a funny smell without bleach stuff works great! I'll be looking forward to your progress asu dial your sytem. mike there can def be hurdles every so often and I know dialing this aa is going to have some HURLDES hopefully not to bad
PetFlora
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Method I developed for clones or seedlings:
I was having issues with both rw cubes and S2G cubes. First I cut them in half, which minimized the retained moisture surrounding the tap root/clone stem. I switched to Super Stater Cubes (probably rebadged rapid rooters): I still cut them in half to minimize moisture around the seedling or stem. To be safe I drop 2 layers of hydroton in the bottom of the net pot, retains some moisture, without soaking. This has worked great in my DIY bubbler. Did not have the same success with hp cloner
I was having issues with both rw cubes and S2G cubes. First I cut them in half, which minimized the retained moisture surrounding the tap root/clone stem. I switched to Super Stater Cubes (probably rebadged rapid rooters): I still cut them in half to minimize moisture around the seedling or stem. To be safe I drop 2 layers of hydroton in the bottom of the net pot, retains some moisture, without soaking. This has worked great in my DIY bubbler. Did not have the same success with hp cloner
Trichy Bastard
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Just to clarify, I'm not discounting the rockwool chunk method, only saying there's a bit of learning curve when learning how to keep them optimally damp. I also considered the rapid-rooter plugs, however they're organic material and not sure if that will give future issues or not. Will look forward to hear how it works for you...
Trichy Bastard
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Hey PF, so your hp-cloner did not give you good results? I am curious how you had it setup and what sort of cycle times you tried? I posted some pics of mine a while back, but will be happy to repost here if you want me to?
The basics were that it was a small sterilite tote that's lid is tight and doesn't leak without any modifications. I cut 6 2" holes in the lid and inserted 2"netpots fitted with neoprene pucks. Inside is a mere 2 red cloudtops nozzles in the bottom pointing up and elevated a few inches to keep them from getting underwater, powered directly from a garden hose and controlled by a timer starting off with 3 seconds every 5 minutes. As the roots progressed I cut the time down to 2 seconds/5m and then to 1 second/5m and that really got the roots to pop after they'd had a good start. I even have some fuzzies in a few spots protected from direct misting. It's definitely my favorite cloning method so far and I only have to dump about 2 gallons of runoff every 5 days or so... To be honest, it was a real quick design I thought I would improve once I saw that it worked, however it has done so good I havent bothered changing anything or even adding a drain line because it takes so many days to fill up before the nozzles would even be close to being underwater- and of course I like looking all the time anyway-lol... For what it's worth, I found I do not even need a humidity dome at any point whatsoever either, so they're already hardened and ready to go when I xfer them to my 3" netpots with rockwool chunks in the final grow chamber.
View attachment 2224759 View attachment 2224757Before end of 3rd day (first overachiever)
@5 days (browning due to timer failure and drying out, but recovered nicely afterwards)
