Uncle Ben
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The sun doesn't tneed to. That is a noob myth. Please lurk and read the other threads. https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/
Defoliation - Touchy Subject My Theory (Veg + Flower)
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70's natureboy
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Dude, why'd you send me to that thread? I would have believed you in the first place without the last 4 pages of pissin' and moanin'. LOL, Just kiddin', I usually agree with UB anyway, but, if you read a Uncle Ben thread you have to filter out a lot of douchebags.
When I had ridiculously bushy indicas, I did succumb to the temptation of clipping some fans. I didn't feel right doing it because I believe in letting nature do its thing. It doesn't matter now because I prefer 5' sativas and never need to worry about light shading. I can say that the popcorn vs nugs on the bottom branches is genetic in my experience. I have had different varieties side by side and one made wimpy buds on the bottom branches and the Diesel right beside it made nice tight nuggs on the bottom branches. I immediately saw the value in that little trait and those are the varieties I look for now. I actually call them popcorn buds because they are the size of popcorn, just the right size to pop in a bowl, but they are nice and tight. Other people call their wimpy buds popcorn and make it a bad name. Like I said I'll bet defoliaters are indica growers and I agree it ain't natural to be trimming fan leaves. gotta go.
Rev.thenatural
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You have too wait until the primary branches extend from the main stalk, before you pull the fan leaf or they stunt and gives the technique a bad name.
Once a branch has fully extended with its own fan leaves, you pull the large fan leaf that powered the main branch.
Once the primary branch has extended with its own two sets of leaves, you pull the top fan leaves under the node of the primary branch and open light for secondary branches.
This is the true correct process for defoliation too not stunt and increase yields galore as I try too teach the willing.
Done correctly outdoors and you'll increase your yields galore.
Then you juice your fan leaves with citric acid and cure disease and stay high 12 hours and not smoke and if your organic, use part of the leaves too crumble up as best fertilizer.
Those who have ears too hear.
Blessings, rev.thenatural
Once a branch has fully extended with its own fan leaves, you pull the large fan leaf that powered the main branch.
Once the primary branch has extended with its own two sets of leaves, you pull the top fan leaves under the node of the primary branch and open light for secondary branches.
This is the true correct process for defoliation too not stunt and increase yields galore as I try too teach the willing.
Done correctly outdoors and you'll increase your yields galore.
Then you juice your fan leaves with citric acid and cure disease and stay high 12 hours and not smoke and if your organic, use part of the leaves too crumble up as best fertilizer.
Those who have ears too hear.
Blessings, rev.thenatural
Resinhound
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Lets see some examples of your yeilds "increased galore" with these techniques.
Rev.thenatural
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Just moved too Colorado last year.
Working on your proof as we speak.
Those who'd like too listen without proof, will benefit and see some of us have nothing too gain by lying too them.
I remember when topping and LST first started and they argued that also until the technique was learned properly and more used it correctly.
No different here, people do it wrong and get upset, follow above and will work every single time and the info was free.
Blessings, rev.thenatural
harris hawk
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Defoliation takes practice and works very well when grown LST . It is suggested to do a "heavy defoliation" in week 4 of veg and week 4 in flower. But one needs to remove fan leaves thru grow - no "sugar" leaves (if want some good resources,let me know)
Uncle Ben
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"Good resource"? As in stoners who don't have a clue about the function nor the importance of a leaf?
Rev.thenatural
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Quick tidbit and especially t5 and fluorescent and led users.
More light you smack on them, the less defoliation you need too do and the timing is slower and if you do it too fast under big light they take forever too recover.
Under less light, you defoliate more and the secondaries pop fast and recover quick.
The above pattern I gave followed under Flo's will blow your mind how much more you yield.
That's why outside trees when done properly do well as they are always stretching for ole Toma's.
Ya ten thousand lumens per square foot junkola lol.
Science has a pee poor understanding of how these trees utilize light.
Blessings, rev.thenatural
More light you smack on them, the less defoliation you need too do and the timing is slower and if you do it too fast under big light they take forever too recover.
Under less light, you defoliate more and the secondaries pop fast and recover quick.
The above pattern I gave followed under Flo's will blow your mind how much more you yield.
That's why outside trees when done properly do well as they are always stretching for ole Toma's.
Ya ten thousand lumens per square foot junkola lol.
Science has a pee poor understanding of how these trees utilize light.
Blessings, rev.thenatural
chuck estevez
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like I always said, instead of pulling all your leaves to get light, just get a better light!!
Rev.thenatural
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Its not about having so much light, but the proper light and correct par for cannabis but I'm not getting into that again.
The true purpose of defoliation is too create secondary branches off of the primaries and heck most boys haven't even vegged long enough in their growing careers too have seen a secondary.
Creating secondaries will increase yields period.
The gurus won't touch this subject as well as many others.
Whoa too their pride, when real info gets proven over the next couple years.
The bull is about too stop and hydro stores want be selling 1600 watts worth of lights for a 5x5 space too some poor grower who knows no better for profit.
They'll be throwing away their sodium bulbs and high red spectrum lights also.
Some of us just will not be quiet any more.
No matter the cost.
Rev.
chuck estevez
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you mean vegging the plant longer for a bigger plant will give bigger yields, WHOA, I had no idea.
Resinhound
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All will be known for those who see...
Rev.thenatural
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Well I'm sure everyone else knows that too Mr estevez.
You can veg a tree too five feet tall and still not get pronounced secondaries however.
Learning proper defoliation for secondary branch production and strength is the key too massive yields.
Now, since nobody teaches this correctly, as on many things I discuss, I might as well be speaking alien.
What a mission!
However a good and worthwhile one.
Blessings, rev.the natural
chuck estevez
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well mr.natural, you can if you use proper training, which isn't removing all the stuff you're trying to grow.
hyroot
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Look up shade avoidance. That covers it. Leaves store energy and food and process light into food. If parts are shaded and dont get enough light they will naturally adapt if need be.
Branching can actually lead to smaller yields. Smaller buds.
It's not more branches. It's more roots... the larger the root mass the more the yield.
Branching can actually lead to smaller yields. Smaller buds.
It's not more branches. It's more roots... the larger the root mass the more the yield.
Uncle Ben
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bullshit ~ Heard it all before and from the same young know-it-alls. It'll "cost" alright, in yields. YOU need to learn what drives bud production.
None of your wonderful info has any degree of botanical truth. I'm a seasoned gardener both commercially and privately and if you'll bother to read a few of the defoliation threads you might learn something about botany. Noobs like you hate books on horticulture so that resource is out.
Resinhound
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Got UB and the rev in here...lets get this party started.
Uncle Ben
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We have another poser. In response to Pastor Natural we have this.....
I don't take lightly to posers if you haven't noticed.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/lighting-best-for-cannabis.881501/
I don't take lightly to posers if you haven't noticed.
Resinhound
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I just want to see some of these buds "galore" all he ever posts is some clones or seedlings hes gonna mate with a cabbage or some bullshit.
Rev.thenatural
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Removing fan leaves properly strengthens the secondary branches too hold more bud mass and makes the entire primary fill out also, creating torpedo size buds and no stems too be seen, when especially not cut at some miserable 9-11 weeks.
There's no sense in going on as this is for sure a picture proof generation.
Fan leaves are also used instead of being tossed like garbage for many benefits and so much is missed out on because of misinformation.
So defoliating serves two purposes too those who have wisdom.
One gives more bud when done properly, every time period.
Two for those who know and those that care too know.
Fan leaves can be juiced too prevent cancer and many health benefits when grown organic or made with citric acid and I'll make you a smoothie from 12 fan leaves that will roast you for 12 hours non stop and if you have intestinal problems, will be cured in a week.
You learn the benefits of fan leaves and how too activate the cbd and you'll leave your bud too ripen and cure more as you won't need it.
God so many are lost and all you can do is call out... Fellow worm over here! Can anybody hear me!?
I woke up, why so many content with their sleep?
My brothers will not sleep much longer.
So in ending, nothing is wasted.
Want the best fertilizer for cannabis?
Feed it itself.
Dry the leaves, crumble them and give sugar water and watch the magic.
Don't believe it?
Try it and come back and tell me I lied too you....
Rev.