Cuttings gone flop.
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dr.skunkfunk
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sometimes that happens mist them with b1 or just water turn lights off on them or put them where lights are not right pon them they will stand back up unless you fried them
SickSadLittleWorld
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Its normal for them to droop after cutting them. As long as you provide a low-light, high-humidity environment and be patient, they'll root just fine.
jawbrodt
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Here's a little trick I picked up, that fixes the drooping problem(most of it).......either water the mother a few hours before you take the cuttings, or place the cutting in a glass of water for at least an hour, and then they will be fully hydrated and stay nice and perky. I figured that out recently, and it works really well. 
jawbrodt
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I don't recommend pulling them out of the growing medium to do it. It's something that should be done before you clone. If they've already been in the medium for a couple days, i wouldn't mess with them. All you can really do, is give them medium a good watering,(once) then mist the cuttings once or twice a day. They might perk up, they might not. They'll still take root, they'll just take a little longer than they could've, because now they're trying to rehydrate as well as develop roots.
NathPirn
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Do they need to be under 24 hour light ? I'm only running mine under 18 hours at the mo'. Also have a 400hps is that too much light for them? haven't used it for them just wondering in case I can use it and it wont be too much for the little fella's ( can you tell I'm new to this? 
). *sigh* growing from seeds was so much easier, took longer...but SOOOO much easier.
). *sigh* growing from seeds was so much easier, took longer...but SOOOO much easier.
RedEyeJedi UK
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Do they need to be under 24 hour light ? I'm only running mine under 18 hours at the mo'. Also have a 400hps is that too much light for them? haven't used it for them just wondering in case I can use it and it wont be too much for the little fella's ( can you tell I'm new to this?
A 400w HPS would be too much for them, I would recommend a Kitchen/Shop Strip light or an envirolite CFL! I use a PC case and 125W duel spect envirolite to do my clones. I left my lights on 24hours for the 1st week, then switched to 18/6.. I agree that seeds are easier but clones are cheaper (ie: Free) lol...
I'v posted a few of my pics to show you how mine progressed...
I had a bottom of a coke bottle as my humidity dome (not pictured)
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jawbrodt
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Any light will work, as long as you make sure it's backed off far enough. With that 400 watt HPS, you need to have it at least 30" away from the clones, 36" would be about perfect. 18/6 will work perfectly, that's what i use, and I normally have all them rooted within 5-6 days. I'm not a believer of 24/0, IMO, it's a waste of electricity. Plants need that dark period to rest and get rid of waste products, just like they do in nature. That's my logic, anyway. 
Here's a little trick I picked up, that fixes the drooping problem(most of it).......either water the mother a few hours before you take the cuttings, or place the cutting in a glass of water for at least an hour, and then they will be fully hydrated and stay nice and perky. I figured that out recently, and it works really well.
Good tip.
It also sounds like you may have an embolism (air bubble) in the stem. That will make clones droop in a heartbeat if it's not the lights.
What I do is, instead of a glass of water, I use a bowl (more room to work in), of water. After the cut, put the end under water and cut again about 10mm (~1/4") up, making sure it is under water. This makes sure there is no air bubble in your stem. You can then let soak, or go right to the clonex.
I use Clonex also, but in rockwool, and both the gel and solution. Have for over 20 years, never used anything else, no need.
Very little light needed to root clones. I use a shop light with 2 4' T12 fluoros 18-20" above the clones.
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NathPirn
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Thanks Jedi,
Those photo's have seriously put my mind at ease. came out this morning and they were starting to look a little better so all things considered I think they might be growing...also thanks for the info about the HPS, just wondering though, even if I have the HPS at about 2 feet is that going to be too much for them as well?
Those photo's have seriously put my mind at ease. came out this morning and they were starting to look a little better so all things considered I think they might be growing...also thanks for the info about the HPS, just wondering though, even if I have the HPS at about 2 feet is that going to be too much for them as well?
..thanks for all this info guys, you guys have seriously put my mind at ease.
RedEyeJedi UK
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I'm not a believer of 24/0, IMO, it's a waste of electricity. Plants need that dark period to rest and get rid of waste products, just like they do in nature. That's my logic, anyway.
I agree with your comment here to an extent (From seed)
Its not natural to clone a plant though ?
This is the reason why alot of people go with 24/0 with clones for upto 2 weeks and then switch to 18/6 once it is actually a living "plant" in its own right.
As for having clones under a 400w HPS - Yes, it is possible but IMO they would have a much better chance of a healthy start under propergation.. ie Humidity dome and strip light or CFL?
Not knocking you or saying your wrong... we all have our own way of doing things!
No worries dude, glad I could help!
statik
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Any light will work, as long as you make sure it's backed off far enough. With that 400 watt HPS, you need to have it at least 30" away from the clones, 36" would be about perfect. 18/6 will work perfectly, that's what i use, and I normally have all them rooted within 5-6 days. I'm not a believer of 24/0, IMO, it's a waste of electricity. Plants need that dark period to rest and get rid of waste products, just like they do in nature. That's my logic, anyway.
Actually Cannabis does not need a dark period (unless you want to flower of course, or growing rudies). I forget what its called, but it does not REQUIRE a night cycle at all.
If you are in Veg (and using flouros), actually the opposite holds true. You lose about 1/3 of your growth by dropping that 6 hours of light, and do not make up for it with the saved energy. I read that in Jorge Cervantez's Grow Bible actually.
However, after my own testing I have found that I get roots faster under 18/6. I think (just guessing here) that plants really push their root systems out during the dark cycle. Someone please correct me on that if I am just shooting in the dark.
jawbrodt
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^^I've used 24/0 myself, and wasn't disappointed with it. It was just that I never really noticed much difference in growth or rooting times, so i switched everything back to 18/6. Everything is still a-okay, and now the electric bill is a little lower.
IMO, It's more benefit to add 33% more light intensity, rather than leaving them on 33% longer.(for veg)
IMO, It's more benefit to add 33% more light intensity, rather than leaving them on 33% longer.(for veg)
statik
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^^I've used 24/0 myself, and wasn't disappointed with it. It was just that I never really noticed much difference in growth or rooting times, so i switched everything back to 18/6. Everything is still a-okay, and now the electric bill is a little lower.
IMO, It's more benefit to add 33% more light intensity, rather than leaving them on 33% longer.(for veg)
Totally agree on that one there.
I actually have noticed a difference in rooting time (maybe its the strain idk) with 18/6 vs 24/0.
18/6 seems to be working better for me. Does anybody else here split their stems? Or scrape away the outer skin to expose the cambium?
Thanks again guys.
