Current Culture and AN line issues due to high Oxygen level

kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Hi everyone , so i had a pretty bad run in custom RDWC system due to some Gnats killed my harvest but im coming back bigger :) Now i had a long conversation with AN nute Support and he told me that CC2 dont play nice with organic stuff because their oxygen system is too strong , so anything that has any bacteria will bloom and might potentially cause problems up to loosing harvest , He also recommended to use 50 % strength of their nutes specifically with CC2 system (im setting up 16xl). but if i decrease oxygen level i can safely go 100 % their schedule with no issues as long as trees are 18 inch +(i highly doubt that)
Any one agree/disagree ?
I am planning on running Co2 ,and AC and Dehumidifier in a sealed room, water change every week.
 
Airwalker16

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I saycl lose the fuckin air pumps and build a manifold for your inline pump to Pull FROM the res to supply it for waterfalls in each site. Organics absolutely don't work in DWC.
Also, air pumps can pull pathogens right into your system.

I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That's cool man. Pretty low-key. I think you'll be surprised at the pressure of mine. i can't remember now, but its some where around 5-600 gph
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I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That thing is way overpriced. The whole thing sits on a very simple method of splitting the water to oxygen and hydrogen. In big system I’d be worried about the hydrogen gas... I was looking around and saw 2 more very interesting thing. First one called Carmin. I don’t really get how it...
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kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
I saycl lose the fuckin air pumps and build a manifold for your inline pump to Pull FROM the res to supply it for waterfalls in each site. Organics absolutely don't work in DWC.
Also, air pumps can pull pathogens right into your system.

I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That's cool man. Pretty low-key. I think you'll be surprised at the pressure of mine. i can't remember now, but its some where around 5-600 gph
www.rollitup.org

I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That thing is way overpriced. The whole thing sits on a very simple method of splitting the water to oxygen and hydrogen. In big system I’d be worried about the hydrogen gas... I was looking around and saw 2 more very interesting thing. First one called Carmin. I don’t really get how it...
www.rollitup.org
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That might work, but i have access to CC2 system and not planing redesigning entire thing, but thank you for ur advice
 
kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
I saycl lose the fuckin air pumps and build a manifold for your inline pump to Pull FROM the res to supply it for waterfalls in each site. Organics absolutely don't work in DWC.
Also, air pumps can pull pathogens right into your system.

I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That's cool man. Pretty low-key. I think you'll be surprised at the pressure of mine. i can't remember now, but its some where around 5-600 gph
www.rollitup.org

I GOTTA LOSE THE AIR PUMPS! HOW?! Plus my awesome mini DWC :)

That thing is way overpriced. The whole thing sits on a very simple method of splitting the water to oxygen and hydrogen. In big system I’d be worried about the hydrogen gas... I was looking around and saw 2 more very interesting thing. First one called Carmin. I don’t really get how it...
www.rollitup.org
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Just wondering if u compared growth/yield with and without air pump ?
 
Airwalker16

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kratosxxl said:
Just wondering if u compared growth/yield with and without air pump ?
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I genually think they're happier with waterfalls. Air pumps only agitate the surface mildly. It's not the bubbles hitting the roots that oxygenates the water or roots, it's the breaking of the surface tension that allows gaseous exchange of DO into the water. So a waterfall is perfect because your roots continue to grow down and clump up around stones but with waterfalls, the top of the water (as long as you keep it pretty full) is always way above the root ball and there's plenty of water for the waterfall to hit. Plus air lines get slimy, stones wear out every grow or every other, and pumps are Ridiculously loud. That's the main reason I had to switch. The sound they put out just to aerate the water is a Shitty trade off in my opinion. Waterfalls sound so nice.
Also, you using CC 13gallon EZ Store totes is great because the water volume is up HIGH rather than say, a tote, where the water level can be and usually IS lower. Your rootballs will stay well under the water line. But that's just a plus, cause even if the waters low and your waterfall was hitting BARE roots, it's still going to agitate the water nonetheless.
 
Airwalker16

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The main reason I even mentioned it to you is because you're in such a position to do it very easily your sites are all already plumbed with returns to the res. All you gotta do is plumb a 3/4" bulkhead or donut grommet and barbed coupling for black vinyl tubing, so you can connect your pump to pull from the bottom front of your res, up through the inline outlet, elbow over and fed your manifold. Just be sure to extend the 3/4" PVC the full length to your furthest totes middle. Then at your crosses and tees, use reducing bushings threaded for male thread X barbed for tubing OR slip fitting for just gluing PVC to so your pressure is equal to all your waterfalls. Then you're done.
Your returns will flow the opposite way using gravity as the waterfalls fill the sites and push back to the res where it's pumped back to the manifold.
 
kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
The main reason I even mentioned it to you is because you're in such a position to do it very easily your sites are all already plumbed with returns to the res. All you gotta do is plumb a 3/4" bulkhead or donut grommet and barbed coupling for black vinyl tubing, so you can connect your pump to pull from the bottom front of your res, up through the inline outlet, elbow over and fed your manifold. Just be sure to extend the 3/4" PVC the full length to your furthest totes middle. Then at your crosses and tees, use reducing bushings threaded for male thread X barbed for tubing OR slip fitting for just gluing PVC to so your pressure is equal to all your waterfalls. Then you're done.
Your returns will flow the opposite way using gravity as the waterfalls fill the sites and push back to the res where it's pumped back to the manifold.
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I see lot of benefits in ur design one of them is not running 100watt air pump 24/7 heat , noise
 
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kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
I genually think they're happier with waterfalls. Air pumps only agitate the surface mildly. It's not the bubbles hitting the roots that oxygenates the water or roots, it's the breaking of the surface tension that allows gaseous exchange of DO into the water. So a waterfall is perfect because your roots continue to grow down and clump up around stones but with waterfalls, the top of the water (as long as you keep it pretty full) is always way above the root ball and there's plenty of water for the waterfall to hit. Plus air lines get slimy, stones wear out every grow or every other, and pumps are Ridiculously loud. That's the main reason I had to switch. The sound they put out just to aerate the water is a Shitty trade off in my opinion. Waterfalls sound so nice.
Also, you using CC 13gallon EZ Store totes is great because the water volume is up HIGH rather than say, a tote, where the water level can be and usually IS lower. Your rootballs will stay well under the water line. But that's just a plus, cause even if the waters low and your waterfall was hitting BARE roots, it's still going to agitate the water nonetheless.
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its 8 gall actually with 2x 5.5 holes
 
kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
Oh I thought the XL used 13gal containers. My bad. But that changed nothing.

But why are the holes 5.5"? Aren't the CC bulkheads 3"?
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Bulkheads yes , so it comes with one 8 inch netpot lid im thinking swapping them to lids with 2x 5,5 netpots2396B44A-F1A0-4BA9-ABAC-8DD0C4C33F3E.jpeg
 
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Airwalker16

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kratosxxl said:
Bulkheads yes , so it comes with one 8 inch netpot lid im thinking swapping them to lids with 2x 5,5 netpots
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Hmmm.... You could, bit a single 6" is all you need for any size plant. The extra hydroton in an 8 or 10inch netpot lid is pointless. It may anchor your plant a bit better but not really. You could grow a tree in a 4" or hell a 2" netpot for that matter. Once the root balls come down into the container and balls up, it's not going anywhere.
Also just some advice, ditch the ridiculously expensive AN and use GH 3part FloraTrio and their CaliMagic line of CalMag and you'll be equally as happy with your results. If you do decide to, I've got a chart for you to use that will guarantee you happy girls all the way through. I assume you're using RO water.
 
Airwalker16

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But 2 plants in a single 8gallon container that close together might leave you a bit irritated and tight on space.
If you've got the 8" lids, I'd say use those, or if you're gonna get new lids, just get 6" and save yourself some hydroton. It's like double the amount needed for a 6 to an 8 inch.
 
Airwalker16

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kratosxxl said:
Well the idea of having 2 trees in one is to do shorter veg and flip to flower
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Oooooooohhhhhh OK my man, if that's the case then for sure. I just figured using a 16xl, you were planning on some decent sized girls. But if your goal is to just get them half the size they'd normally be and flip, by all means. You'd probably benefit from short(er) lengths of piping between sites then so you don't have huge gaps and DEFINITELY the use of a trellis. What size space is this 16xl in and is it 2x8 or 4x4?
 
kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
Oooooooohhhhhh OK my man, if that's the case then for sure. I just figured using a 16xl, you were planning on some decent sized girls. But if your goal is to just get them half the size they'd normally be and flip, by all means. You'd probably benefit from short(er) lengths of piping between sites then so you don't have huge gaps and DEFINITELY the use of a trellis. What size space is this 16xl in and is it 2x8 or 4x4?
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Its about 18x11x10 space :) yeah im planning 2 levels of trellis starting with 3ft teenagers in rockwool,scrog them as much as i can and see how it goes. So im still not sure if AN will be fine. I gues GH is the way to go 3part and koolbloom should do the trick
 
Airwalker16

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kratosxxl said:
Its about 18x11x10 space :) yeah im planning 2 levels of trellis starting with 3ft teenagers in rockwool,scrog them as much as i can and see how it goes. So im still not sure if AN will be fine. I gues GH is the way to go 3part and koolbloom should do the trick
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Koolbloom isn't necessary. Just get a gallon of each Flora Micro/Gro/Bloom and a gallon of CaliMagic. And you WILL need gallons with a system your size.
Regardless of it saying add micro first, while this is true, NOT before CaliMagic. CaliMagic is mixed first. Always.
You'll have a good 100+ gallons in your system, so feel free to use a 5gal jug with 3 or so gallons of RO in it for room to shake and add in each part individually, in the FULL amount needed for the whole 100gallons and shake the living fuck out of it inbetween each thing you add.
100gals worth is a lot of liquid though, so you could definitely use 2 5gals with 50gals of nutes mixed into each one. Use the same jug, just split it in to 2 batches.

Here's your chart, brother:
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kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
Koolbloom isn't necessary. Just get a gallon of each Flora Micro/Gro/Bloom and a gallon of CaliMagic. And you WILL need gallons with a system your size.
Regardless of it saying add micro first, while this is true, NOT before CaliMagic. CaliMagic is mixed first. Always.
You'll have a good 100+ gallons in your system, so feel free to use a 5gal jug with 3 or so gallons of RO in it for room to shake and add in each part individually, in the FULL amount needed for the whole 100gallons and shake the living fuck out of it inbetween each thing you add.
100gals worth is a lot of liquid though, so you could definitely use 2 5gals with 50gals of nutes mixed into each one. Use the same jug, just split it in to 2 batches.

Here's your chart, brother:
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But will koolbloom add weight ? And make buds bigger ?
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Airwalker16

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I can't say personally. I've never ever used it. But if it's a P and K boost, then you can sure as hell give it a try from week 4-6 of flower.
 
kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
Hmmm.... You could, bit a single 6" is all you need for any size plant. The extra hydroton in an 8 or 10inch netpot lid is pointless. It may anchor your plant a bit better but not really. You could grow a tree in a 4" or hell a 2" netpot for that matter. Once the root balls come down into the container and balls up, it's not going anywhere.
Also just some advice, ditch the ridiculously expensive AN and use GH 3part FloraTrio and their CaliMagic line of CalMag and you'll be equally as happy with your results. If you do decide to, I've got a chart for you to use that will guarantee you happy girls all the way through. I assume you're using RO water.
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the plan is to use tap but run it thru first 3 stage to remove chlorine , chloramine sand , dirt etc so ppm will be around 200-250 , so i can basically skip calmag or add it on low dosage
 
kratosxxl

kratosxxl

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Airwalker16 said:
Koolbloom isn't necessary. Just get a gallon of each Flora Micro/Gro/Bloom and a gallon of CaliMagic. And you WILL need gallons with a system your size.
Regardless of it saying add micro first, while this is true, NOT before CaliMagic. CaliMagic is mixed first. Always.
You'll have a good 100+ gallons in your system, so feel free to use a 5gal jug with 3 or so gallons of RO in it for room to shake and add in each part individually, in the FULL amount needed for the whole 100gallons and shake the living fuck out of it inbetween each thing you add.
100gals worth is a lot of liquid though, so you could definitely use 2 5gals with 50gals of nutes mixed into each one. Use the same jug, just split it in to 2 batches.

Here's your chart, brother:
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so i was thinking to use 2 x 30 gall buckets make nutes , pump out water from res , add back 60 gal so roots have food and water , then make another batch of 60 gall and fill it up , r u using someking of calculator to get this nice looking chart ? also is this still apply if i user tap ?
 
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