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My Name is Mike

My Name is Mike

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The plants have been doing so good. Roots on both are white with no signs of distress.

I'm seeing a few more spots pop up, gold dots on both plants. PH on both were down at 5.8 4 days ago and climbed to 6.4 AM reading today.

I'm topping with fresh PHed water to keep it consistent each night.

I think my problem right now is cal/mag def.

Both plants are drinking about 1/3gal a day sometimes a little more.

Where I guess I'm confused and have been trying to understand is feeding. The only time I know when to feed is when I flush.

If all is going smooth,

How often should I normally flush with fresh nutes?
When I top with h20, do I only add PHed h20?
How often should I feed if I don't flush or does it not make sense since you can't definitively measure what micro/macro nutes the plant is taking in?

In my case now with suspected cal/mag def, would it be best to flush with new nutes?
Should I add my normal nutes with cal/mag to?
Should I top with a micro amount of cal/mag?

My last feeding was day 18, I'm on day 23. I did 3/4 tsp of flora nova bloom/ 2 gallon. PPM went from 330 to 228 and 360 to 260 day 18 to day 23.

Cab temps been solid 77, RH 47-51%, REZ 67-71

To note, I'm seeing it on lower old growth. I haven't seen it yet on new growth.
 

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My Name is Mike

My Name is Mike

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Yeah not so great now. When a leaf is damaged from def, does it continue to die even if you have taken measures to correct it?

The leaves that showed areas of death have spread a bit throughout the leaf but I've noticed other old growth affected as well.

I'm at day 26. I flushed day 24 to up my nutes since I felt this was the problem. They're drinking about 1/3 gallon a day and PPM continually drops.

Cab 77-81 RH 51-52%

BB OG from day 24 until today day 26

PPM- 525 - 336 - consistently dropped
PH- 6 - 6.1 - it topped out at 6.4 but came down

I checked roots again. All are sparkly white. There's an area it starts half inch below bottom of top hydroton rez and another 1/3 inch of darker root color but it's a small area. Very hard take take a pic with 1 person.
 

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Tim1987

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My Name is Mike said:
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PPM- 520 - 358
PH- 6.1- 5.7 I did happen to PH down the night water check to 4.7 but that only lasted 10 hours then jumped back up to 5.8.

Any ideas?
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G'day Mike,

How long since a fresh reservoir change?
Using hard tap water, aren't you?
How many days are you getting out of it, before this starts happening?

(:
 
My Name is Mike

My Name is Mike

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The last fresh rez change was day 24 and today is day 26. I PHed down a little too much at the time but it was corrected within 8 hours.

Using tap water, but I'm letting it sit 48 hours uncapped. I then add to rez with nutes then PH after that. Is my process wrong?

How many days until what starts happening? The leaf damage or?
 
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Tim1987

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My Name is Mike said:
My tap is only 130 PPM, the water I get from store to refill is 80 PPM. Not much different thats why I went tap.
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This is the problem about tap water, and water culture. May only be 120ppms. But without an analysis it's hard to properly tell.
Remember if its garbage, for your plant, it'll just accumulate.

Maybe try mixing your nutrient in a much more concentrated form? Then adding it to the rest of your water?
Have there been any "white clouds" or plooms in your water, when mixing your nutrients?

Look online for a municipal report of your local water too.
Most have them, on their websites.

Good luck,

Tim.

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Tim1987

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My Name is Mike said:
Water report attached. Thanks Tim again for all your help. Can anyone else chime in on thoughts of what I'm up against?
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Not a problem Mike,

I can't speak about the quality of your water, without first consulting someone i know.
But at a guess from the numbers, its carbonates in your tap water keeping the ph high.
If you compare your analysis to some biological or horticultural data, for safe levels in plants, you should be able to find the answer, i can't give.
Google, or Wikipedia would probably be first, if it were myself.

Fill me in, when you find out. I'd like to know as well.

Maybe someone else can help in your thread too.

Cheers Mike,

Tim.

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blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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I cant read your screenshot but if its ok to drink its usually ok for the plants.I saw you mention hydroguard and I use it and like it. Your tap is pretty low ppm so I would add a little calmag (I like the blue planet pro personally) each time to help buffer the ph.

I use megacrop and mix the powders.. add water.. add the hydroguard mix again.. then ph

If I were you I would ph to 5.5 then switch everything out again when it raises up to 6.4-6.5

good luck!
 
My Name is Mike

My Name is Mike

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blowincherrypie said:
I cant read your screenshot but if its ok to drink its usually ok for the plants.I saw you mention hydroguard and I use it and like it. Your tap is pretty low ppm so I would add a little calmag (I like the blue planet pro personally) each time to help buffer the ph.

I use megacrop and mix the powders.. add water.. add the hydroguard mix again.. then ph

If I were you I would ph to 5.5 then switch everything out again when it raises up to 6.4-6.5

good luck!
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Hey thanks for your input. I actually ordered hydroG this morning as it doesn't hurt to have on hand.

I just did a complete flush, no nutes, PHed to 5.8

I think my major problem is my PH swings which is my fault for overdoing it and introducing a more concentrated nute mix before dialing in on my PH. It's either nute burn or def and I'm leaning on burn due to shitty PH swings. Both my plants are drinking and PPMs are dropping but the PH may have jacked it up.

When you say a little cal mag, are we talking a ml or tsp? I'm still learning ratios with it all.
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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My Name is Mike said:
Hey thanks for your input. I actually ordered hydroG this morning as it doesn't hurt to have on hand.

I just did a complete flush, no nutes, PHed to 5.8

I think my major problem is my PH swings which is my fault for overdoing it and introducing a more concentrated nute mix before dialing in on my PH. It's either nute burn or def and I'm leaning on burn due to shitty PH swings. Both my plants are drinking and PPMs are dropping but the PH may have jacked it up.

When you say a little cal mag, are we talking a ml or tsp? I'm still learning ratios with it all.
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I got a thing for powders lol this is what I use

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Planet-Nutrients-Formula-Micro-Nutrients/dp/B07DM7K728/ref=asc_df_B07DM7K728/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242120314056&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14055349806076553959&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9018949&hvtargid=pla-466071145128&psc=1

It comes with a tiny (I mean real itty bitty lol) scooper and I just add about half scoop/gal (50% manufacturer recommend). If I were using liquid I would add 1/3-1/2 what the manufacturers recommends with every water change.
 
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