ohnothimagin
Well-Known Member
No Drama hit the nail on the head.
Here's the link to Carlin's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Here's the link to Carlin's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Dude you talk out of both sides of your mouth, you might have a career as a politician in the future. If pot makes you lazy and unproductive, then you cannot be a productive adult smoking pot, you must be a lazy slacker smoking pot. You can't have it both ways, you can't make a correlation that pot is what makes people unproductive. What makes them unproductive is the fact that they have always been given everything in life, never having to work for anything. I am sure you can agree that those people who had to work for what they had are still hard working now, even IF they smoke reefer. There are plenty of people who would be lazy slackers without smoking pot, we all know someone.Do you really not see the correlation between lack of productivity and pot smoking? Probably 80% of the people here indicate that their life is a lot less than they would like. Now, I have no problem with responsible, productive adults smoking pot, or even content, self sufficient slackers smoking pot. What I do have a problem with are those who get high and do nothing while bitching about how their miserable life is everyone's fault but their own and pushing for social programs that do nothing but expand government and spread their misery to the rest of us.
Iraq civilian death toll estimated anywhere from 100,000 lives to 655,000 lives by 2006 depending on the study. We could start with those genocidal figures, or is the fact that rickwhite has not felt the effects of govt intrusion make this a universally closed case?I've got to say, I really don't see Government, or anyone else, being that much of an intrusion in my life. Sure, cops are dicks and taxes are a bitch, but what is the big freaking deal?
The supreme court has to be corrupt too with a ruling such as this, we are in big trouble my friends.You seem to forget the supreme court just ruled that corporations have freedom of speech also which translates into their money can be given to anyone without being restricted. This mean corporations can give any amount of mney they want to politicians to sway them to vote for them.
When RickWhite is the voice of reason... Jesus Christ.Has it occurred to you guys how much better your lives would be if you spent your time and energy thinking of ways to improve your lot instead of imagining black CIA helicopters all these other wacky ideas you have about the government?
Where does your aggression come from? It seems like you might be projecting. Who hurt you?Has it occurred to you guys how much better your lives would be if you spent your time and energy thinking of ways to improve your lot instead of imagining black CIA helicopters all these other wacky ideas you have about the government?
I mean really, how can it not be clear to you guys that 8 of 10 posters here are stereotypical slackers who blame everyone but themselves for their lot in life?
Exactly what countries do you think are so superior to the US and why don't you move there?
lol No it's not. It's more like someone who keeps getting teeth pulled without novacaine and expecting it not to hurt.Society was infected by an immuno disorder called "the state" which crippled it's ability to detect and fight against further disease and sickness. Blaming society for its sickness is like blaming an AIDS patient for allowing the disease to advance.
Someone would perform such an action with unrealistic expectations of outcomes only if they were A) utterly insane or B) indoctrinated with a mythology that moved them to justify previous painful results as an anomaly that future teeth pulling would prove as such. I don't believe everyone in society is completely insane; I don't think 5% of them are completely insane. Therefore, if it is a mythology that they believe, it was surely inflicted on them as children since babies are not born with falsehoods and mythologies, which are cultural.lol No it's not. It's more like someone who keeps getting teeth pulled without novacaine and expecting it not to hurt.
I agree with some of what you said (i.e. equality within humanity) and disagree with other parts of what you said (i.e. no other species commits cannibalism or exploits others within its species). I'm confused about your use of the phrase "peaceful non cooperation"; maybe you can tell me more. I am, however, lost as to how any of your reply answers my question. Maybe I'm not comprehending something elemental in your answer. Perhaps you can help me out...People understanding that we are all equal, like Ghandi, John Lennon, Jesus, ect.ect. all of whom were assassinated during peaceful non cooperation.
These fundamental principals that all must follow, the suns rays meet each man regardless of faith, the water flows to the benign and malignant alike, and the air meets every face without financial consideration. Why is it that the mind that is influenced only by what we share is subject to propriety?
If you look back on history the beginning of war was precipitated by the settling of land. When fences cross eachother, begins the point that neither can grow. When borders are built, so are fears, fear for life, fear for lack of comfort, fear of wasted power or control.
By a common understanding of all men, that we are equal. Now when someone breaks the fundamental rights of another, consequences must be met, each person must be entitled to every thing that you hope to have, rights, freedom to move, a voice. If you deserve life then so does every other man, in no other species do equals kill eachother for personal gain, no other species commits necrophilia(its the last thing they think when they see a dead being), no other species commits cannabilism. Clearly not all will sign on, but when enough do, peaceful non cooperation will be the way into enlightenment for society.
Peace
So if I understand, you are going to peacefully resist the free exchange of goods and services? Please walk me through what there is to resist in voluntarism. Feel free to explain real thoroughly so I can understand (this was a really short winded answer).Satyagraha, it is a fairly simple philosophy.
Peace
The free market by definition is voluntarism. You cannot have a free market without voluntarism. In fact, historically when society is granted a level of freedom by government or acquires freedom by escaping government, people naturally begin to use currency to buy and trade goods and services. Government did not create currency; society created currency. The free market also doubled your expected lifespan and gave you everything you didn't have when you lived in the jungles. Perhaps if I took acid or mescaline like you suggest, I would be able to understand your position much better. However, I would have to purchase those drugs from the free market first.As stated before free market is not volunteerism. You must decide which dictator you want to work for, if not you starve or die.
When you are born with nothing, you will inevitably die with nothing. It doesn't require small amounts of people, it requires a critical mass, so much so that the system can't support or maintain itself. People already don't trust the water in most states, this is the initial signs of upheaval. Entropy is a term that describes the breaking down of all systems, eventually this one will too.
There is an abundance of information out there if you want to do the reading, I can't keep reiterating myself, if you don't want to believe it you won't, there are always modes of rationalization that will lead you back to where you started. If you simply open your mind beyond what the media tells you, which seems to act as an unofficial PR department of the Government, you will see the folly in the way things are set up.
Maybe a few trips with acid or mescaline will aid in your discovery, surely I can't.
Peace
To me this is like saying, "snowy weather doesn't make snowballs, people make snowballs." You are technically correct, but it is the snowy weather that creates the atmosphere for snowballs to be made. The free market system is not an imposed system. It is just two or more parties trading goods or currency freely with each other. A free market happens when people are free. Other non coercive systems can operate in a free market; they are not mutually exclusive.Nothing is made by the free market system, it is made by people.
There are "Illegal acts" because there is a state, not because there is a free market. The free market does not impose anything involuntarily.Me personally, if I had the resources to produce mescaline and acid. I would give it away for near nothing, maybe food or gas money, but being in a market system one is forced to do illegal acts thus driving up the cost from risks involved.
The free market does not stop someone from growing excess food and giving it away. Why can't people do this now?If food was produced by the people, and given to the people, everyone would eat. I mean this is a country where people are going starving, and others are eating a full meal and going to the washroom and puking it out.
Actually, businesses and industries compete for employees on almost every level, which is an upward force on wages. Operational efficiency push wages down, but a balance must be reached to maintain satisfaction in the market. The more skilled a person is, the more his time is worth in trade. Additionally, it is the consumer who decides what they want on the store shelves, not the business. The business must bow to the consumer by constantly trying to fully meet the needs of the consumer. In a statist/capitalist, cronyism situation, a business might use the power and resources of the state to force the consumer to bow to them. This is not a free market. A "corporation" is a state enforced blanket of protection on a business and it's executives that would not exist in the free market.When one owns all the property, they say you can work for this much and you can buy this for this much, so you are "born into bondage", and the only way to escape it is to completely submit to fascist rule, and even then there aren't any guarantees.
You've said a lot, but you still have not answered my fundamental question, at least not where I can see. I'll try again to ask the same question in a different way in the next paragraph.And you keep saying I am not helping you, your not helping yourself. I have clearly expressed myself over and over, and you keep coming back with the same talking points. Maybe it is your dissonance that is creating the contradiction.
Would you advocate removing this currency by using coercive force? Would you jail or kill a man for using a currency? If so, how are you not advocating a system of coercion? If not, what is your strategy for removing the currency? If you only respond to one question, please respond to this.EDIT: I would advocate the removal of currency
In your ideal society, what person should be given the power to decide what all other people need?Why do we need 100 different models of the same fucking TV?
Real currency is the only kind of currency I am talking about. Just because a government monopolizes the currency and destroys it, does not mean that currency is the cause of your diagnosis. Just because a man beats a dog until it becomes dangerous and aggressive, does not mean that all dogs are dangerous and aggressive. A free market would have competing currencies with ensurances of stability by the currency providers, and a universalized system of currency trading. It would be far superior than the fiat currency we have today.And your comment about currency being used is true, but only with real currency. More simply every 'money' supply has inflation added, the only way to drop the inflation is by increasing the overall output of the country. So you have to continuously work harder for less, to have your money worth more. Or work for nothing. Or install machines to do all the labour and people won't have money to eat. Pretty simple in my opinion.