Corruption.

Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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I think one of the biggest problems in our government is corruption. just look at any spending bill that gets passed through congress :wall:

What would you guys think would be the best way to rid our system of corruption?
 
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Radiate

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Outlaw politicians accepting contributions from any entity, both monetary and material.

I think that'd be a good start.
 
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NoDrama

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The politicians are only doing what they are told to do by their handlers. You don't think that "We, The People" have any say do you?
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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well id hope we'd have a say!

and i was thinking if we had every piece of paper, every phonecall they make piblic information we could cut way down on the earmarks and under the table deals. i mean they work for us how about they show us every single thing there doing.. then we should punish them
 
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NoDrama

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I always liked George Carlin and I think when he got older he really saw the world for what it was, anyway he had this comedy sketch in the end where he kvetched about the world and politics.......

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice ... you don't. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. They've long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying ... lobbying, to get what they want ... Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don't want ... they don't want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don't want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They're not interested in that ... that doesn't help them. That's against their interests. That's right. They don't want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they're getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They don't want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers ... Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They'll get it ... they'll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. It's a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club. By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people ... white collar, blue collar it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means ... continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about you ... they don't give a fuck about you. They don't care about you at all ... at all ... at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That's what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that's being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it ...[/FONT]
 
undertheice

undertheice

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corruption is inevitable. a sensible nation limits the power of any one portion of society in order to lessen the impact of corruption. allowing government too much power over industry and the population increases the chances of the state's military and legislative power combining with a totalitarian stranglehold over the market and creating a tyrannical monster. as we look around the globe, it becomes obvious that there are very few sensible nations.
 
medicineman

medicineman

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undertheice said:
corruption is inevitable. a sensible nation limits the power of any one portion of society in order to lessen the impact of corruption. allowing government too much power over industry and the population increases the chances of the state's military and legislative power combining with a totalitarian stranglehold over the market and creating a tyrannical monster. as we look around the globe, it becomes obvious that there are very few sensible nations.
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What you fail to aknowledge, is the fact that under the current government, corporate interests and government interests are on the same page. It's called an oligarcic plutochracy, where a few rich owners of the society control the corporations and hence, the government. When Cheney was sec. of defense and started privatizing the military, then got a job as Pres. of the largest recipient of government money, Haliburton, then turned around 8 yearts later and somehow, Amazing as it sounds, got the VP job, plus a 34 million dollar severance package from Haliburton, then My oh my, started a war and gave Haliburton billions in no-bid contracts, Did you find that a little strange? Probably not. You righties fail to see the takewover of the government by the rich corporatists. I agree it has been on the agenda for a long time, but the agregious moves by Cheney and the neo-cons are completely outrageous. A slap in the face to every American taxpayer, like, hey fuck all of you, pay us now or pay us later, we'll get all your money soon. George Carlin, one of my heroes, had it all figured out, then he died. That is also one of my tenets, once you figure out the game, you have no reason to live, hence your body gives up. I suppose I'm living on borrowed time, but there is still plenty to learn, I just know, we are fucked, and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.
 
Mr.KushMan

Mr.KushMan

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No way to argue that one!

I watched a documentary a while ago called 'loose change', and the follow up about the new world order.

You just sit and watch your jaw drop. It is incontrovertible, this is happening everywhere.

Peace
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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If the system that enables corruption to exist remains in place, replacing the players with "uncorrupted" people is a noble thought, but eventually will lead us back to where we are now. That is if it can even effectively be accomplished on a scale big enough to matter. Replacing the system, rather than players lies at the heart of the problem and the solution.

People argue which "system" of government is best. A system that relies upon coercion, force and extortion will always be ineffectual, because it defies natural law. A system that flows with natural law has a much better chance of working. However just like many people believed for years the world is flat, many refuse to believe that society can exist without a coercive government. Time will prove them wrong, but we may still have a struggle to raise the awareness of the bulk of the population.

I suggest that to end corruption, a person should not fund that which is coercive and corrupt. I suggest withdrawing consent and giving consent to that which promotes natural law rather than man's prohibitive "because I said so" law.

For instance, begin to own yourself, while at the same time realize you nor any group of "yous" owns another. What is a group of EWES anyway....baaa baaa baaa baaa ?
 
ancap

ancap

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undertheice said:
corruption is inevitable. a sensible nation limits the power of any one portion of society in order to lessen the impact of corruption. allowing government too much power over industry and the population increases the chances of the state's military and legislative power combining with a totalitarian stranglehold over the market and creating a tyrannical monster. as we look around the globe, it becomes obvious that there are very few sensible nations.
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How should we limit the power of a portion of society? Through violence?

No one allows the government too much power in the same way that nobody "allows" cancer to spread. It just does because that is the nature of cancer.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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ancap said:
How should we limit the power of a portion of society? Through violence?

No one allows the government too much power in the same way that nobody "allows" cancer to spread. It just does because that is the nature of cancer.
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Cure for cancer B-17 look it up... just sayin :roll:
 
Balzac89

Balzac89

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You seem to forget the supreme court just ruled that corporations have freedom of speech also which translates into their money can be given to anyone without being restricted. This mean corporations can give any amount of mney they want to politicians to sway them to vote for them.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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ancap said:
No one allows the government too much power.....
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not only do we allow it, we practically demand it. the push for government to mitigate socioeconomic inequalities, to force industry to follow more socialistically inclined paths and to calm the instabilities of the marketplace are perfect examples of how we are handing our unresponsive representatives the keys to the kingdom and denying our own responsibilities. we demand our society be more responsive to the needs of the poor and insist government force us in that direction instead of giving of ourselves, as a responsible people should. turmoil erupts in our economy and we go crying to our leaders to make sure the damage done to our finances isn't too drastic. instead of investigating our purchases and the means by which they are brought to the marketplace, as conscientious consumers should, we demand government over-regulate industry to give us the illusion of safety. we ask government to do all this and more, refusing to admit that it is the responsibility of the people themselves to see to their own security and stability.

of course it is government's natural tendency to expand itself, but that can only be accomplished with the complicity of the people and their tacit approval through inaction. all it takes to limit government's power is for the people to deny its intrusion into their lives, but fear, greed, jealousy and indolence keep us sliding ever faster toward total government control.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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I think one of the biggest problems in our government is corruption. just look at any spending bill that gets passed through congress :wall:

What would you guys think would be the best way to rid our system of corruption?
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I think we need to quit voting people that don't have a clue about economics into office. Most of these people don't understand how the economy works other than the 'gut feeling' we all have from everyday living, but usually that is ass backwards from what the best options would be. They don't understand the math of the options and just rely on the people lobbying for their votes for their information on if it is good or not. I doubt most of them put in much time even looking over things the government's own economists put out.

Their votes are already cast before they even see any numbers, so really they are just getting interns to highlight shit that makes good talking points to get on the news. It is sad.

We need more intelligent candidates to vote for, Educated business people, economists, financial specialists, accountants, ect. Get those bastards in office so that way the politicians can actually get to work figuring out the best ways to do things for us and cutting funds from areas that make no sense. Basically Audit the entire government system from top to bottom and understand how and why the effects made will benefit us all. And have the people that understand the audit in place to make the decisions on what to do with it.

Basically I want to see some ugly ass fat guy with bad suits that are not going to worry more about press conferences than they do about the actual work of figuring out what to put into a bill to make it as efficient as possible. And then let the slew of lawyers make sure that these changes are legal.
So that way we can be sure that the bill is economically well put together, and then if it is that it is legal, instead of the current system that is in place, of making everything legal and then crossing fingers to hope it is economically ok.

ps. with the politicians not being 99% lawyers maybe there could actually be some tort reform.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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hanimmal said:
We need more intelligent candidates to vote for.....
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it isn't intelligence or education that is lacking in our government. it doesn't take a genius or a rhodes scholar to understand the simple foundations of this nation and to see that the people's liberties aren't trod upon. half of our problems seem to originate with elected officials who believe they are above the common man, who feel entitled to engineer our society in an attempt to mold it into some far fetched ideal. with all of their education, they seem never to have learned that utopia means "no place".
 
medicineman

medicineman

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Rob Roy said:
If the system that enables corruption to exist remains in place, replacing the players with "uncorrupted" people is a noble thought, but eventually will lead us back to where we are now. That is if it can even effectively be accomplished on a scale big enough to matter. Replacing the system, rather than players lies at the heart of the problem and the solution.

People argue which "system" of government is best. A system that relies upon coercion, force and extortion will always be ineffectual, because it defies natural law. A system that flows with natural law has a much better chance of working. However just like many people believed for years the world is flat, many refuse to believe that society can exist without a coercive government. Time will prove them wrong, but we may still have a struggle to raise the awareness of the bulk of the population.

I suggest that to end corruption, a person should not fund that which is coercive and corrupt. I suggest withdrawing consent and giving consent to that which promotes natural law rather than man's prohibitive "because I said so" law.

For instance, begin to own yourself, while at the same time realize you nor any group of "yous" owns another. What is a group of EWES anyway....baaa baaa baaa baaa ?
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I guess if one is not afraid to go to prison, one could follow the above. Funny thing, the powers that be single out non-complying individuals and punish them.
 
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