Control odor & sterilize your room air + surfaces 24/7 + eliminate PM

Hobbes said:

A bit of overkill but it's their smallest unit.

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I remember Michael saying they had a 4002 unit, 2000 cuft. not in the papers

Please, contact Michael at Sage, don't be shy. It will save you all the bullshit and he sells to a lot of us growers so he can tell you all the nitty gritty details.

Tell him Renfro sent ya, he is expecting your call.

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He was expecting my call! And I did tell him that Renfro sent me.

They did have a 4002 unit like you thought, saved a few dollars from the 4005.

The price tag is going to run me about $3,400 USD, $4,450 Canadian plus duty and taxes. More than I paid for my Black Dog light!

It'll be worth it to have peace of mind that the buds are going to be harvestable.

Thanks for the help Renfro.

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Hobbes said:

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He was expecting my call! And I did tell him that Renfro sent me.

They did have a 4002 unit like you thought, saved a few dollars from the 4005.

The price tag is going to run me about $3,400 USD, $4,450 Canadian plus duty and taxes. More than I paid for my Black Dog light!

It'll be worth it to have peace of mind that the buds are going to be harvestable.

Thanks for the help Renfro.

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You are gonna love the peace of mind my friend. Only thing left to worry about is pests.

Renfro said:

You are gonna love the peace of mind my friend. Only thing left to worry about is pests.

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So these replaceable parts I’m assuming they are easy for the consumer to install every couple months. This unit would prohibit mold, mildew etc?

budman410 said:

So these replaceable parts I’m assuming they are easy for the consumer to install every couple months.

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I have not done this yet myself but it looks pretty straight forward for someone that is a little bit handy with a screwdriver. I think most folks that can build a grow will get around it lol.

budman410 said:

This unit would prohibit mold, mildew etc?

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It continuously sterilizes every surface your air touches in the room as long as you have adequate air movement.

How will you make sure that all the air goes inside this tiny device?

I am also wondering what is inside the device.
They claim that they have a patent on it, but can't find it anywhere.
Sceptical as I am, I do think it is just an ozonmachine and nothing else.
There are several devices on the market for less money.
But hey, I could be wrong, and they actually did invent something totally new.

Keesje said:

How will you make sure that all the air goes inside this tiny device?

I am also wondering what is inside the device.
They claim that they have a patent on it, but can't find it anywhere.
Sceptical as I am, I do think it is just an ozonmachine and nothing else.
There are several devices on the market for less money.
But hey, I could be wrong, and they actually did invent something totally new.

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It doesn't have to process every molecule of air because it puts out the reactive oxygen species (hydrogen trioxide) and this is what lands on the surfaces in your room to sterilize them. It's not about the ozone, thats a by product.

I recommend giving Michael Alaman at Sage a call 1-559-470-7163, he can explain things much better than I can and will likely have all the answers you seek, I am just a user of the product.

Keesje said:

How will you make sure that all the air goes inside this tiny device?

I am also wondering what is inside the device.
They claim that they have a patent on it, but can't find it anywhere.
Sceptical as I am, I do think it is just an ozonmachine and nothing else.
There are several devices on the market for less money.
But hey, I could be wrong, and they actually did invent something totally new.

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Could be a hydrogen peroxide generator and an ozone generator and a reactor to combine the two to form hydrogen trioxide.

nunyabidness420 said:

Could be a hydrogen peroxide generator and an ozone generator and a reactor to combine the two to form hydrogen trioxide.

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All I know is it works. lol It's the bee's knees. Michael knows all about the product and can explain things much better than I ever could. I know it creates other ROS molecules but the main one that survives long enough to go anywhere is the Trioxidane / Hydrogen Trioxide.

To find out if it really works for bud rot and mildew, you should actually do some comparative tests in controlled environments.
You should therefore test whether it performs better or worse than devices that work with ozone only.
I did read some of their reports, but those didn't seem like scientifically valid tests to me.

In any case, it is an interesting development and I am very curious about the benefits you will achieve in your space.

Keesje said:

To find out if it really works for bud rot and mildew, you should actually do some comparative tests in controlled environments.
You should therefore test whether it performs better or worse than devices that work with ozone only.
I did read some of their reports, but those didn't seem like scientifically valid tests to me.

In any case, it is an interesting development and I am very curious about the benefits you will achieve in your space.

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Yeah I am not in the business of propagating mildew for test purposes lol Perhaps someone thats fighting an active outbreak will purchase one and show their results.

I think once you have mildew or botrytis ozone and trioxide can't do much anymore.
As I understand they only kill the spores.

Keesje said:

I think once you have mildew or botrytis ozone and trioxide can't do much anymore.
As I understand they only kill the spores.

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If that is true then I suppose people could give up on the hydrogen peroxide treatment as a means to stop PM.

In my opinion, no substantiated evidence has yet been found for this.
Research is being done, but as far as I can tell, there is no definitive outcome yet.
If you type it in google you will also mainly end up on cannabis-related sites.

Here are videos that show how to change the consumable parts:

http://bit.ly/40XX_Filter
https://bit.ly/40XX-Chamber
https://bit.ly/Change-Sensor

Consumer model?
My room is 1500 cubed.
It's not a commercial operation.
I also don't want molds etc.
What's the plan?
I'll pay $400-$600
If it really works.
I'll buy one.
Sharpen your pencil Michael.

Haze the maze said:

Consumer model?
My room is 1500 cubed.
It's not a commercial operation.
I also don't want molds etc.
What's the plan?
I'll pay $400-$600
If it really works.
I'll buy one.
Sharpen your pencil Michael.

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I wish they were that cheap, I would have three, one for each room. They do make a unit thats for 2000 cuft. Also they recommend using a room sizing multiplier of 1.5 for a flowering room, so your 1500 would end up sized at 2250 for our purposes. So I think the 2000 cuft model would be a good fit, it could be cranked up or down a bit as needed to tune it to your space. There are adjustments you can make via the touch screen controller.

That said I know that you are looking at over 3k for an all in one portable unit. Michael at Sage can give you more detailed information should you require it, however I do understand that it's pretty cost prohibitive for the smaller grower. Once you add in the yearly maintenance costs especially... I am not positive on the prices for consumables on the 2000 cuft model but I do know that it would likely cost more than your allotted budget just for the yearly consumables cost.

Perhaps they will come up with something to bring to market if enough growers ask for a model thats cheaper and a better fit for smaller spaces. Could be that the basic costs of the PPB sensor and touch screen controller are the big price busters, maybe a simpler unit that didn't require all this? lol

would have brought one of these units but the cost is just out of this world- maybe a good unit for the USA only , buy the time I convert the US $ to NZ( imported would cost approx $9-$10k for a base model) is just crazy, no point at all, even if it works its not cost effective , I think companies pigeonhole themselves these days to local markets( can only sell and sully so much in local market) and forget about export were the real $$ are