Confused by wannabe grower

Sorry I missed the "Shit Flinging Contest". But seriousely - I think there is an issue here that could be discussed in a civilised manner!

I actually agree with part of what he said. I just think that alot of his "intensity" (or maybe anger) is misdirected. Yes, it's true that commercial pot growers' incomes go unreported (and untaxed) for the most part. And yes, it's also true that the Federal Government spends BILLIONS of $'s every year on it's "War on Drugs" (Is it just me, or do the drugs seem to be winning?). So far, the only results of the War on Drugs is, the prison system is overflowing and Marijuana is the #1 cash crop (beating both corn and the wine industy - combined, if I'm not mistaken!). Of course all of this "Marijuana cash crop" money is not taxed because it is "under the table". Well just who in the hell do you think makes the rules regarding what is legal and what isn't - the farmer or the government?

So - should we bare a grudge against the farmer, who produces a popular, but illegal, crop -or- the very government that keeps it illegal? The "People" have spoken, repeatedly, in State legislation that favors bringing Marijuana into the mainsteam. And yet it is the Federal government that refuses to tax it and thereby gain some control over it. The way it is now, any 10 year old kid with the money can buy pot easier than cigarettes - that's just WRONG!

lol very good point. i can remember when I was in Junior High and it was sooo much easier to buy dope then a pack of smokes. such a joke

STRUTH!!...but where to draw the line? all non refined drugs? drugs used by lots of people? drugs that have huge profit margins?

i think ure completely right...but when confronted with these questions that would become topics of debate, i start to see some of problems of legalization...not that i dont want to tackle them...

why not just say its illegal so you can lock up the reaaally bad people...and still have it EVERYWHERE so math class is more fun in senior year...

maybe its a canadian thing

yes, just what i need, to pay another tax. its medicine, shouldnt be taxed just like all medicine. when will people wake up to the freedom that is taken away from you with taxes by fat blowhard politicians who insist on waisting your spoils that you earned, not them. make it legal and they tax it, control it, and eventually sell it, you will be paying $300-400 an ounce for kuntucky swagg that couldnt get a rat high. if you check your history on tobacco, alcohol and a myriad of other gov f-ups. they get involved and the price skyrockets while quality plummets.

It's my advil

yes but tobacco was never illegal so the price wasn't high to begin with. marijuana prices are what they are becuase it's a risk to grow, sell, and have it on you, so therefore the price is higher. if made legal the price would go down since there is no risk factor. it'll be like buying a pack of smokes or something.

HighPotency said:

STRUTH!!...but where to draw the line? all non refined drugs? drugs used by lots of people? drugs that have huge profit margins?

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I realize your in Canada, things aren't that much different. According to LEAP, and they do have some Canadian speakers, in 1914, when Cocaine was made illegal because of this huge drug problem 1.2% of the population was addicted to these other drugs and in 2006 1.2 % of the population was addicted to these other drugs. The so called drug problem ain't really a problem, folks find out that those other drugs do in fact take control of you and they spend there time trying to get off a them.
The drugs themselves don't have high costs, of course that is why, with prohibition, the huge profit margins exist.
I have seen the question your not asking specifically, just alluding to, if all drugs were legal wouldn't more people use them. Would you?? Of course not. So the fact that they are legal would not make you take them.

i think ure completely right...but when confronted with these questions that would become topics of debate, i start to see some of problems of legalization...not that i dont want to tackle them...

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They are not really even topics for debate, all of the arguments have been shown to be false, that is why they keep having to come up with new arguments.

why not just say its illegal so you can lock up the reaaally bad people...and still have it EVERYWHERE so math class is more fun in senior year...

maybe its a canadian thing

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Why not just say it is all about the money, we don't like the way you are spending ours in this war on drugs and we are going to write and pass laws to change the laws. VV

jeff f said:

yes, just what i need, to pay another tax. its medicine, shouldnt be taxed just like all medicine. when will people wake up to the freedom that is taken away from you with taxes by fat blowhard politicians who insist on waisting your spoils that you earned, not them. make it legal and they tax it, control it, and eventually sell it, you will be paying $300-400 an ounce for kuntucky swagg that couldnt get a rat high. if you check your history on tobacco, alcohol and a myriad of other gov f-ups. they get involved and the price skyrockets while quality plummets.

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okay - you may be right about the alcohol. the quality sucks and the price went up - with increase in quantity comes a decrease in quality. BUT, if you don't like the shitty beer they sell you for outrageous prices, then it's certainly LEGAL TO MAKE YOUR OWN (which I do). legalization of marijuana would bring about many evils and I prefer decriminalization, but if it's legal, we would all be able to grow it without legal recourse. that would be nice - you would pay NO taxes on weed and be breaking no laws all the while growing some killer shit.

its been about money from the get go man. I mean, im sure it started out as an actual battle against the drug itself, but now that its being proven time and time again that it has more medical applications than just about any single drug on the market today, the excuses that politicians use in order to keep it from going mainstream are just becoming more rediculous and diluted. The fact is that if pot were completely decriminalized or legalized, they would lost billions of annual tax dollars annualy that they are able to spend in any way they choose as long as they slap a label on it n say its for the fight to keep drug use to a minimum.

Every single year our jails are filled up with non violent drug offenders, even moreso than rapists n murderers - once again, because for every prisoner captured and jailed, there is money to be made. The state gets paid per prisoner annually for keeping people like us in jail, So theres another reason to not want to deal with the cannabis issue sensibly.

Theres a million different reasons why marijuana should be legalized or even just decriminalized and used for medical applications. But reguardless of how you wanna slice it, the gov't only has and NEEDS one reason to stop that from happening on a federal level, and thats cash. You hit the nail right on the head.

You can NOT compare Marijuana to other drugs....the fact that people can go to Jail in the US just for having a plant is fucking Ridiculous..

Weed is not crack, its not heroin, No ones selling themselves to support WEED habbits....

Man Canada is so much more slack, but still...

Talk about an Economy boost....You know what will fix the economy? LEGALIZING AND TAXING MARIJUANA! Its that fucking simple, that would inject SOOO much money into the economy.

simply, all drugs should be legal. it's just that simple. i don't smoke crack, never have never will, have been offered it.. turned it down.. why? cause i'm smart enough to know that shit is just worthless.. if you make 1 drug illegal, you have to make them ALL illegal. there is no reason people should be driving around on benadryl, that shit makes you all fuct up, yet people can legally do it. people can legally drive around on vicadin, vallum, and oxy's .. make them all illegal, or make them all legal. one or the other. it's bullshit that SOME people can get medicine but others can't. educate people on the effects of drugs and don't LIE to them about certain drugs. that just makes them think you were lying about all the other drugs.. so therefore of course they are gonna try them all cause you lied about 1.
you lie about 1 thing = credability is gone. educate truth, legalize them all.

Cannabox said:

simply, all drugs should be legal. it's just that simple. i don't smoke crack, never have never will, have been offered it.. turned it down.. why? cause i'm smart enough to know that shit is just worthless.. if you make 1 drug illegal, you have to make them ALL illegal. there is no reason people should be driving around on benadryl, that shit makes you all fuct up, yet people can legally do it. people can legally drive around on vicadin, vallum, and oxy's .. make them all illegal, or make them all legal. one or the other. it's bullshit that SOME people can get medicine but others can't. educate people on the effects of drugs and don't LIE to them about certain drugs. that just makes them think you were lying about all the other drugs.. so therefore of course they are gonna try them all cause you lied about 1.
you lie about 1 thing = credability is gone. educate truth, legalize them all.

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I really have to disagree. Drugs are drugs, Weed isnt a drug. I dont think hard drugs should be legalized, I think thats pushing it a little, access to hard drugs are already WAY to easy for young kids.

Pot is just pot, people need to realize that, and if they did the government would be making a LOT more money.

Its absolutely ridiculous that you can by alcohol anywhere in North America, but Weed is illegal....I do WAY more dumb stuff when drunk. If I get baked the worst I might do is Think of something stupid, not actually do it, then go get some A&W..

so share your plan of how to do that? VV

The price of weed would plummet if it were legalized...thats a fact. Everyone and there sister's cousin would be growing in there backyard.

jointchief said:

The price of weed would plummet if it were legalized...thats a fact. Everyone and there sister's cousin would be growing in there backyard.

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Prices would not drop.

Growing would never be legalized 100%. If government legalized pot they would grow it, and tax it like cigarettes. No ones growing their own tobacco.

I would imagine they would start programs where people can get permits for large scale grows to supply the government programs, but they would never just pass a law to let anyone grow whatever they want. It would be more like alcohol. You would need to be of age to buy it, and there would probably more strict penalties for driving "under the influence" of pot.

If the government took over the Marijuana trade it would put a HUGE dent in gang fundings and there would be a lot less illegal growers because there customers would be buying Legal weed. They should just legalize the Use of marijuana like alcohol.

Our government is to stupid to realize it would benefit them financialy, us stoners wouldn't have to worry about getting pinched which all prisons are over populated and at the same time help millions of sick people who use as medicinal users. What a better world it would be. Instead we invade countries kill civillians and send people to jail for plants lol I love America but hate the way it's run

vanslyke said:

yes but tobacco was never illegal so the price wasn't high to begin with. marijuana prices are what they are becuase it's a risk to grow, sell, and have it on you, so therefore the price is higher. if made legal the price would go down since there is no risk factor. it'll be like buying a pack of smokes or something.

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Marijuana would still be more expensive due to the time, dedication, and care that a marijuana plant requires to grow (well), that a tobacco plant doesnt require.

SenorSanteria said:

Marijuana would still be more expensive due to the time, dedication, and care that a marijuana plant requires to grow (well), that a tobacco plant doesnt require.

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This is why they would have to create a program for people to be able to run commercial grow ops like a business, have a brand, Health Standards, etc.

It would be like cigs, different companies with different brands, if there was no market competition then it would end up being shitty weed that no one would buy.

I still dont think it would work out that way. I mean, I dont claim to know very much about growing tobacco, but I have to assume that after factoring in the length of time that pot takes to grow, the cost of nutes, the amount of care required for the plant, I dont think that it would be just like tobacco.

You stress a pot plant, you get a hermie.
Stress a tobacco plant, you get.... a tobacco plant.

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I still dont think it would work out that way. I mean, I dont claim to know very much about growing tobacco, but I have to assume that after factoring in the length of time that pot takes to grow, the cost of nutes, the amount of care required for the plant, I dont think that it would be just like tobacco.

You stress a pot plant, you get a hermie.
Stress a tobacco plant, you get.... a tobacco plant.

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It wouldnt be like tobacco, it would be private companies like tobacco. Have you seen the way the government grows weed???

They shred the WHOLE plants, stalks, stems, leafs and all. Then they mail it out to medical users. This is why in Canada there Compassion Clubs that raise the standards and only sell the chronic.

It couldnt be run JUST by government, there would have to be more than 1 company with permits to grow weed, and sell it at liquor stores. Without more that one private company there will be no competition to grow better product.

But if they give the option for regular people to get permits and start a company thats sells herb (like owning a brewery) Then there will be enough competition and the standards of chronic will only get BETTER.

It would be GREAT if multimillion dollar companies could LEGALLY grow, study, and improve their products, after a couple years there would be some killer chronic brands going around.