confirm this is mag deficient please

From what youv'e said i would offer that maybe overferting in veg and then deficiency after the flush. I find it hard to get my flushes right and dont do them if can be rather just get a third runoff from all feeds and waters.

Just looks like imbalanced ferts for a while, up and down maybe but this is only my opinion unfortunatly. In my grow i aim not to flush as if i do my plants spaz out with the imbalance of ferts and i always get some kind of deficiency but soon grow out of it as ferts build up.

I couldnt help notice that maybe some of the lower leaves look yellow too, got a pic of the whole plant and the lower leaves please dude? Peace

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Not that charts ever helped me but this is the best cal/mag and only one i'll ever trust, yours looks way gone if it was mag though. Peace

I'll go take some snaps of the plant in better light. BRB

Kingrow1 said:

Talk some pH to me Tyler, you use lime or read runoff, more details dude, i love the pH subject and had more than enough good threads on it. peace

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so dont flush and renute??? flush with ro water and enzyme( to eat athe old nutes) water again with b1 and wait for progress.... then nutes at half.... but i said this ( in a nice voice )..... anyway good luck im off this subject

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Ow dude, i hate them insolvable problems especially when its just one plant. Seems like possibly magnesium, is common for plants to want a good dose of mag at one or two points during the grow. Solving this might help if the healthy ones do the same thing as well.

So you upped the bloom nutes a touch, i think your soil, pH and ppm sound good for the plant, runoff is by no way accurate though and neither are some digital readers. What soil, ferts, lights and temps etc etc, maybe some might have other suggestions. I suppose we would all recomend a flush and re nute'ing the soil if all else fails. When ferts dont work i often consider a lock or flush either way but sometimes it is more simple. What levels of grow are you adding with the bloom? Peace

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wassup?? what u wanna know??? 6.3 in my experience is ideal allthe way through especially if ur not advanced enough to change the ph efficiantly throughout the cycle.... but thats jus mho.... why what u think brah??

Treating for single elements is very dangerous and usually leads to other problems. IMHO you should never treat for one element because of the interdependence of the elements. For example if you have low N it will lock up the mag and you would asume it's mag but it is low N. There are lots of these interdependence issues. The best way to resolve your issue is to use something like Cal-mag and it will fix the elements in a balanced way so your plants can get back to growing.

[FONT=&quot]Zinc[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]plays a roll in the same enzyme functions as manganese and magnesium. More than eighty enzymes contain tightly bound zinc essential for their function. Zinc participates in chlorophyll formation and helps prevent chlorophyll destruction. Carbonic anhydrate has been found to be specifically activated by zinc.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Deficiencies appear as chlorosis in the inter-veinal areas of new leaves producing a banding appearance as seen in figure 18. This may be accompany reduction of leaf size and a shortening between internodes. Leaf margins are often distorted or wrinkled. Branch terminals of fruit will die back in severe cases.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Also gets locked out due to high pH. Zn, Fe, and Mn deficiencies often occur together, and are usually from a high pH. Don't overdo the micro-nutrients- lower the pH if that's the problem so the nutrients become available. Foliar feed if the plant looks real bad. Use chelated zinc. Zinc deficiency produces "little leaf" in many species, especially woody ones; the younger leaves are distinctly smaller than normal. Zinc defeciency may also produce "rosetting"; the stem fails to elongate behind the growing tip, so that the terminal leaves become tightly bunched.[/FONT]

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Tyler Durden 77 said:

so dont flush and renute??? flush with ro water and enzyme( to eat athe old nutes) water again with b1 and wait for progress.... then nutes at half.... but i said this ( in a nice voice )..... anyway good luck im off this subject

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Eek i dont like that enzyme, i just soil grow and get one third runoff from all waterings and feeds and i never really need to flush much if at all so i like to avoid all that. In soil you just simply add lime and soil is pH'ed for the whole grow, really is no worries about it. Runoff will swing due to ferts and not the soil, not really somthing to worry about either, let it get low then feed it up, let the plant eat and then feed it up. I try to get my runoff to help me to see how much my plant eats and how fast giving me a way of seeing how much to feed. Ph means little more to me than this, i dont even pH my water or feeds, my lime in my soil dose this when it constantly releases alkaline ions.

Why make pH so complicated dude and all them additives, thats not simple for me or new growers. Stay off the subject if you want, it wasnt an argument just a discussion, as well as problems isn't that what we should talk about, jeesshh, everyones so cranky tonight!lol! Peace

Woodsmaneh!, your avatar is seriously fucked up dude. Ima have nightmares tonight.

Here's some more shots folks. I'm out of epsom salts, and she was in need of water anyway so I mixed up 1 ml of CalMag in 1 litre of water, and dosed her with that until I had about 15% runoff, which I collected and did a ppm and ph test just to see where I'm at. We'll see what happens.



EDIT - Anyone else see the purple as fuck stems? Don't know why I didn't see that before...

Im Guessing overfed maybe but looks weird and lots of purple stems. Peace

she looks mid stage K deficient; shes got burnt tips everywhere, and now yellowing. possible N deficiency with the lower leaves yellowing/dieing and the yellowing climbing up the plant. i think she a little hungry thats all

only use that cal/mag stuff every ~3rd watering, it tends to block N out if used every time you water.

dirtysnowball said:

she looks mid stage K deficient; shes got burnt tips everywhere, and now yellowing. possible N deficiency with the lower leaves yellowing/dieing and the yellowing climbing up the plant. i think she a little hungry thats all

only use that cal/mag stuff every ~3rd watering, it tends to block N out if used every time you water.

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Isnt the cal/mag chelated to the nitrogen or somthing like that, cal/mags a good supply of n.
Im still with overferted!lol!
Peace

Tyler Durden 77 said:

thats a nice chart!!! real pretty! but i speak from and of EXPERIENCE......not sumthin i read or heard.... i do this for a livin! and im sayin 6.3 is crackin! the chart is cute though...the plain and simple truth of it is this..... each strain is different... and as such requires different things at diff times! charts are cool for the newbs! but they r jus guidelines.... ANY real commercial grower (ME) gonna tell u that u can do and get away with alot more than the books and charts say! and will never say cuz we aint tellin! but u stick wit it brah....when u can get 2 per light let me know... till then in regards to these tomatoes.... 2per is king!

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I am really sick of these people^^^

No sir, your personal experience does not mean shit to anyone but you...in the realm of objectivity we rely on empirical research to come up with the table above, which are very reliable, unlike people

The plain and simple truth is that your meter is probably off and you are running a higher pH then youre even aware of

I will commend you though on your ability to adapt to your handicap with what im assuming was trial and error, but just dont be so quick to discount reliable information...it's very much more likely that your measurement tools are unreliable

Oh Jesus. Here we go again.

What is this obsession people have with always needing to be right?

I appreciate everyone's input about my problem, but I can see this thread is rapidly heading to yet another debate.

I'll keep you all posted on the progress.

Buggins said:

Oh Jesus. Here we go again.

What is this obsession people have with always needing to be right?

I appreciate everyone's input about my problem, but I can see this thread is rapidly heading to yet another debate.

I'll keep you all posted on the progress.

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Tell me about it dude, everyone wants to be right here for some macho BS reason. I enjoy being wrong most of the times!lol! Keep us posted dude, hope this turns round for you. Peace

Exactly King, a million experts, but very little proof of expertise. I call them parrots. They repeat only what they hear or read somewhere. I learn shit every day here, or I wouldn't be coming back so often. Believe me, having a battle of wits with the unarmed is NOT my idea of a good time.
It's too bad these kids can't preface their posts with "I read that......" or "I heard that.......", but sadly, a lot of them want to appear smarter than they really are. The internet is about the only place they can do that.

It's not about being right you fools, it's about clarity of information, and how detrimental it is when individuals put themselves up against a body of objectified data without having the slightest fucking clue of what they're talking about

it's madness. if it doesn't bother you to the point you're willing to call someone out on it when you see it, then you're a chump! This is what public forums are all about, objectification...so fuck off and let me enjoy the internet in my own way.

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It's not about being right you fools, it's about clarity of information, and how detrimental it is when individuals put themselves up against a body of objectified data without having the slightest fucking clue of what they're talking about

it's madness. if it doesn't bother you to the point you're willing to call someone out on it when you see it, then you're a chump! This is what public forums are all about, objectification...so fuck off and let me enjoy the internet in my own way.

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Whoa this got out of hand quick!lol! Chill, if your right we have all subjected to what you have said in our right to be objective, you futher being objective neither adds nor detracts from your or our points if you get what i'm saying.

Yer its good to air things but as long as were nice, i just gave that in a response to people who seem to think the answer is out of a deficiency book or as simple as calling on somthing like pH or potassium sometimes, sometimes i guess it is but i'm more for talking about a problem rather than giving some buckshot answer. Thats just me thou as people are all different, so long as we all play nice.

Anyway what do you reckon the problem is dude? Peace

Jack Harer said:

Exactly King, a million experts, but very little proof of expertise. I call them parrots. They repeat only what they hear or read somewhere. I learn shit every day here, or I wouldn't be coming back so often. Believe me, having a battle of wits with the unarmed is NOT my idea of a good time.
It's too bad these kids can't preface their posts with "I read that......" or "I heard that.......", but sadly, a lot of them want to appear smarter than they really are. The internet is about the only place they can do that.

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This site is good to learn off, damn its very good for my grow. Peace

Kingrow1 said:

Im Guessing overfed maybe but looks weird and lots of purple stems. Peace

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I agree about a lot of purple stems....it reminded me my last hempy bucket...the plant show purple stems along with yellow and lime leaves, this plant is straving for nitgrogen but unable to digest, possible due to P lockout...so flushed with it and tried different fertilizers , it got healthly once again...some picky strains dont like specific fertilizers...

Yo Buggins Im just speaking from my exprience, im not 100 percent about your situation but hopefully your plant will get healthy soon. Happy growing.

I don't add anything to problem solution process the OP is conducting, no. I am, in my view, contributing to a much bigger problem solution process, that being every hack and his mother thinks there's no harm in running their gums from a subjective stand point. Maybe the information provided on this website would be more reliable if more people were as adamant as I am about calling these jack asses out, and it would be possible for people like the OP to find answers to their problems without having to search through a toxic waste dump of retarded simpleton responses. that is my point.

As for the OP's problem it's clear that the rate of transpiration toward the edge of a few larger fan leaves has slowed enough to allow complete burn off of the available water in those areas. What are some of the causes for this? So...frekkin...many.
He could have a current of air that has caused rapid evaporation in that particular spot, his roots could have mold or pest problems and limiting the amount of available water, he might have rapid fluctuations in temperature and humidity....He might not be feeding enough water or too much nutrients...you see where this is going?