Citizen COBs with suplementation ssl80

rxr2

Active Member
Hi, again. Because last thread was deleted ( hide adverts my company) I won't use my company name any more.. :)

I came hire not to make business but share some information with you and discus few new tech quastion.

But back to the topic folks!

Many of you use plenty cobs in their grow box with universal ledil lens or even without any lens.
the problem is much more reflection on side walls before light hit the plants and result is vary bad uniformity. I mean very very bad...

to solve this problem i use not many cobs but as less as i can in this case i use 3 - 4 pcs point of light.
with asymmetric lens with light distribution to prevent concentration light in the center of light area.

Zrzut ekranu 2016-07-20 23.05.12.png
to make that kind of light distribution you need that lens.

Zrzut ekranu 2016-07-18 23.40.36.png

as you can see in the center is similar light to +-50 deg angle. Its mean that lens works in angle 100deg with uniformity better than 90 % and this is my lab test from growbox 120x120cm
homebox 120x120 90cm blast 320_resize.gif
blast got 3pcs lens with cobs citizen
homebox 120x120 90cm explosion 550_resize.gif
explosion got 4 pcs cobs

and how its looks compare to HPS 600W with Big wing reflector
Zrzut ekranu 2016-07-18 22.27.23.png

I spent many research to make this uniformity on the beginning i try lens form kingbrite ( this is re seller citizen and cree cobs and lens form china) but the result wasn't even close to this..

forget about ledil or similar universal lens manufacture

im not try to say that only my lens is worth of $ but i try explain why is so hard to make good uniformity in growbox instead of open space, where is only one rule "more source of light more uniformity". so its opposite case...

Next step in run for best light for your plan is spectrum. Single cobs even those best like cree or citizen got very high Out put but they cut out spectrum above 630 nm... its because they use blue chips and phosphor. any spectrum above 630nm from blue chip is less efficient than when you use red chips like osram ssl80 did. hire is some spectrum citizen cobs
clu056 3500k 80.png
citizen 3500K ra 80clu048 1812 3000k ra97.png
citizen 3000k Ra 97 (best what we can see in red spectrum base on blu chips structure)
citizen horti b+r+w.png
and finally citi horti led COB

but i even that got less 660-730 spectrum than supplemented cobs by ssl80
spectro 1.png
this is cob citizen 3500K ra 80 with 12pcs ssl80 660nm and 4 pcs ssl80 730nm like this:Zrzut ekranu 2016-07-18 22.14.02.png


I'will try write hire every day about how my light systems is woks and share my knowledge. So please DON'T DELETE THIS TREAD ANY MORE.. :)
 

rxr2

Active Member
yes i have integrating sphere 1m size i will make test for you all my cobs citizen in diff current setups but not in this time.. For now my work space is full of growbox because i start test them in uniformity vs size and wall surface material..
This give me good start point in next field of my tests.
 

Malocan

Well-Known Member
Hello Tom,
Thanks for sharing this infos, nice work.

Many of you use plenty cobs in their grow box with universal ledil lens or even without any lens.
the problem is much more reflection on side walls before light hit the plants and result is vary bad uniformity. I mean very very bad...

to solve this problem i use not many cobs but as less as i can in this case i use 3 - 4 pcs point of light.
with asymmetric lens with light distribution to prevent concentration light in the center of light area.
But your solution has one disadvantage i think, you have to hang you lamp pretty high above plants.
And this can suck in a growbox which has a hight from 2 meter.
i would like to see "uniformity ppfd footprint" at differnt heigh, if you have this datas.

But still best economic and good solution. again nice work from your side, Thanks
 

Kempo

Active Member
Kingbrite really sell citizen cobs ? ? Im from Europe that such a pain to find some seller here.
 

Malocan

Well-Known Member
Tom,
did you test the explosion without lenses? do you have still the par footprint available? If yes could you share please, im interested to see how much output you loose through the lens and on the other hand i would like to see how much better uniformity you win through the lens.

I hope i dont ask to much, if yes just dont answer:peace:
 

rxr2

Active Member
@Malocan im not said that he sell citizen cobs (maybe in past) but definitely he sell lens for many cobs like cree and citi...

You will be happy because im during the test with explosion in box so on the weekend ill send you footprint without lens in 60cm and 90cm

lens usually take 4-5%
 

Malocan

Well-Known Member

Hybridway

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Cool lights Tom! I'll grow pounds under them, then we'll know just how effective they are. I bet very!
Nice work, Checked out the web-site today.
 
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