Palmerrdgrower
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You’re going to have to ph your water to 6.5. Or something bad will happen to them
Can't figure out what's wrong :(
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mariowarner
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I understand the epsom salts part but how do I get the microbes back in?
What do you mean by this? That I could just let things as is and let time get things back the right way? Or that if I don't do this, then the plants are lost?
mariowarner
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How does weed grow outside with a ph9 ?
SPLFreak808
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In outdoor dirt you have millions of bacteria, some of these microorganisms thrive with the plants roots and soil to regulate pH & nutrients, kind of how the bacteria in your stomach breaks down what you eat for survival.
SPLFreak808
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Real growers recharge works for adding some of them back in a hurry, or learn how to make compost teas.
mariowarner
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Thanks! I am using dolomite lime in the hope to do this. But I guess I killed the microbes so it makes sense to flush with ph'd water and adding epsom salts!
Bernie420
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Like I said ...Your nutes dont work without microbes breaking it down and and making it available to the plants.
So you either brew a tea or by a microbe product like Raw Brand microbes Great white etc etc. If you dont have anything then top dressing the worm castings and mixing it into the top soil a little and watering in the epsom salt on top of it will help get some microbe in there but in my head thats hit or miss and I want to know my microbes are in there so I use a stand alone microbe product.
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What do you mean by this? if you flush it out you have to repopulate the microbes. Like I said you could just add mag and some microbes and you should see an improvement in a few days without trying to flush anything.
Kushash
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Google is your friend!
What is the average pH of rainwater in the US?
"Clean" or unpolluted rain has a slightly acidic pH of 5.6, because carbon dioxide and water in the air react together to form carbonic acid, a weak acid. Around Washington, D.C., however, the average rain pH is between 4.2 and 4.4.
Kushash
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Clean rain has a pH value of about 5.6. By comparison, vinegar has a pH of 3. Although the acidity of acid rain has declined since 1980, rain is still acidic in eastern Canada. For example, the average pH of rain in Ontario's Muskoka-Haliburton area is about 4.5 - about 40 times more acidic than normal.
SPLFreak808
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Don't let those plastic saucers pool with the run-off water, especially when the soil is locked out.
You can pre-mix your dry nutrients with the soil next time, let it moistly cook 3-4 weeks with the lime added in, don't go overboard and please read about this before the attempt.
Take bernies advice, it will be alot easier than pulling health compromised roots out of a fabric bag.
mariowarner
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I used the pre mixed bag (see picture) which already had dolomite lime in it as well as nutrients. Watered it for 1-2 weeks prior to planting the plants in it. After that I transplanted from solo cups to 1ga in the same mix but with added vermicompost and 25% of the recommended nute strength. I thought that it would be alright, but I guess it was too much... Will take Bernies advice and try to add vermicompost (teas and special products are not options right now, will order some though for the next grows) and epsom salts which I can easily find here.
mariowarner
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Thanks, will try to not flush and add vermicompost and epsom salts for now. I will do a research for which microbes are available where I live as it is not as easy as in the US... So you think the added microbes will take care of the now toxic soil without the necessity of flushing it?
Tupapa
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U say u overwatered and u say u had a fan at max blowing straight at plant with a very dry environment lights and fan blowing straight at plant not good. Plus adding more nutrients on top of a nutrient already rich soil. Recipe for disaster. Correct all this and u will do better next run. This is a trial and error learning hobby
Bernie420
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Yes, I got he impression that you really didnt add that much to your soil so if you dont flush you will save that many more microbes in your soil instead of washing it away. Either way just add the microbes back in if you do. I heard that you dont have many options for the microbes where you live but maybe advance nutrients Tarantula is at the local hydro store there. idk. Use the epsom salt at 1gr per gallon for the next few waterings and then you can use it once a week for a maintenance dose. Same with the microbes use at full strength for the next few and then 1/4 strength once a week for a maintenance dose.
Also in the pic of your plants the forward two plants pik off the dead leaves and maybe leave the back left one alone for a little longer then pick off those dead leaves.
mariowarner
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Thanks for pointing out everything that's wrong with my grow
I thought that reading about it for a year would be sufficent to grow something decent... But I guess I followed too much the reasoning of "it's just a weed that can grow anywhere" and when the first signs of a deficiency showed up, I panicked I tried different stuff that were not good for the plant.... The biggest problem here was that I didn't put a lot of nutes in the beginning (25% of max recommendation), so everything pointed out to a defficiency... That's why I added some nutes afterwards (as some people told me to do).Next run will be better, I promise
Chip Green
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Yes it will.
When you are starting with a pre-nuted, or decent organically amended soil (as it looks you did) plain water will carry a LOT longer than most growers are willing to wait. People seem to just want to dump shit into their pots.....Especially young plants....Over feeding leading to lockout, looks a lot like deficiencies, because it sorta is....
Got any spare seeds? Bag seed? Freebies you may never run? Start one, in MOIST soil, in a solo cup and watch how long it takes to die without adding anything to it, not even water....try it its fun.
mariowarner
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Thanks man, I really appreciate you helping me! Is, in your opinion, the ph'd water necessary (have to drive out a bit get the kit...) or should the dolomite lime already in the starting mix do the job here?
EDIT : just got the epsom salts, can't wait to try it out!
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mariowarner
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Wow, never thought about it. This is a great idea, will definitely try it out! Thank you
Bernie420
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I cant comment on the lime stuff I dont use it and I dont grow organically I grow in hydro but have mothers in HP pro mix bottle fed. I just know your plant are mag deficient and you need microbes to break down the organic material to make it available to the plant.
Microbes regulate the ph at the root surface and you have to know that when you water in at a weird ph, that what hits the roots gets absorbed at that ph its no different than a hydro grow, so it is better to water in at 6.5 and have it close to the ph you want it to be at (6.5) instead of watering it at a ph of 7 or 5.0 no sense in giving the plant a ph shocker.
With that said I dont know why you would need to drive anywhere to get ph'd water or a kit??? when you would just ph whatever water you use now. If you dont have a ph meter I suggest getting the ph drops and not the ph strips.
Also a lot of peeps dont even check ph in a soil grow after the first few times ater they get an idea of what the ph is, close is good enough. Nobody is adjusting the ph of the rain forest microbes take care of it.
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mariowarner
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Because getting ph drops and ph up/down means a good car drive for me. But I will eventually do it this week. Today, I will add some vermicompost and water with 1gr epsom salt per gallon. Thank you for all your help, I hope one day to be knowledgable enough to help some newbies like me
Bernie420
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Yur welcome .........take a pic now and one in a few days and post it so we can see if there is a noticeable improvement.Because getting ph drops and ph up/down means a good car drive for me. But I will eventually do it this week. Today, I will add some vermicompost and water with 1gr epsom salt per gallon. Thank you for all your help, I hope one day to be knowledgable enough to help some newbies like me
You could even go up to 1.5gr per gal if you want to for the next few times then 1gr per gal once a week once they recover.
And / or maybe foliar feed 1gr per gal in addition to the root drench would help also.