Cann's Organic No-Till Garden

fattiemcnuggins

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I had an issue with PM coming in on some weak clones when I started back up. Neem wasn't working, at all. Tried the foliar with apple cider and it knocks it out after 2 applications max. Haven't had any recurring issues and this was back in november.
 

kushking42

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just sprayed horsetail during the dark. 2 oz for 2 gallons. added silca and freeze dried aloe. didnt bother to bubble. soaked for 48 hours in a mason jar. probably stirred it twice. strained through a coffee filter. let you guys know how things look when the lights kick on.
 

hyroot

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Just a couple drops of neem and soap in a sprays bottle gets rid of pm instantly. Diluted lemon juice works to a point also. Compost tea foliar works too.
 

Cann

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just checking in...way too busy right now...trimming as we speak. no time to catch up on any threads here let alone post any updates...everything indoors is moving along smoothly.

been focusing most of my attention getting the outdoor beds ready for planting...working with about 2500sqft of space this year, gonna have a lot of veggies :)

y'all reckon i should start a new thread for veggie garden stuff or should we just discuss it here? i don't mind....

got some beds to plan and I would love to get input from you folks..ideas on companion planting and such. i'll draw up some diagrams of the garden space and find a list of all the seeds I have...

in the meantime back to trimming..bout to smoke up some finger hash first :bigjoint:

things should settle down in a few days and I can post some pics
 

Cann

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Alright so I'm terrible at drawing, and when I try to upload these diagrams they are illegible...so no diagrams, it'll just confuse y'all :)

Basically, I have two different gardens - one at my house, and another at a community garden. there are some plants already established in both places, but lots of open space for veggies/herbs/flowers/whatever.

i'm looking for input on what to do with the assortment of seeds/starts I have right now...companion planting and such. no need to worry about plot rotation because I am leaving in september...and unfortunately I doubt my gardens will be tended after I leave. anyway, onto the details:

my community garden plot consists of two areas - one roughly 50x20ft , and the other about 30x30ft. the larger plot has mostly veggies - beans, tomatoes, corn, squash, zucchini, melons, peppers, eggplant, beets, cucumber, carrots, peas, spinach, etc. there are also some hop vines, a comfrey plant, and some sage and mint. a few sunflowers here and there. there are a few "communities" of plants such as corn, beans, squash, melons - or tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers. okra and carrots are interplanted, etc. but for the most part things are spread out. recently I sowed calendula, yarrow, and nasturtium over 1/3 of the plot. very few things are planted in rows...i kinda just sow things wherever. there are a few circular plantings...

the smaller community plot consists of similar veggies, with some more herbs like oregano, parsley, etc. a few larger tomato plants with carrots sowed around them...a few "three sisters" areas - corn, squash, beans. a lot of empty space. lettuce and brassicas..more than the other plot.

Here are the seeds/starts I have available:

Basil – Mrihani, Genovese, Sweet Lettuce Leaf, Thai, Greek,
Tulsi (Holy Basil) – Krishna, Kapoor
Bean – Anasazi Cave (Pole), Hopi Red (Pole), Dragon’s Tongue (Bush), Adzuki, Mung, Black, Pinto
Corn – Hopi Blue, Double Red Sweet, Anasazi Sweet, Stowell’s Evergreen Sweet
Cucumber – Boston Pickling, Sumter, Lemon, Bush Pickle
Eggplant – Black Beauty
Hops – Cascade, Nugget, Centennial, Mt. Hood
Melons – Honeydew Orange Flesh, Muskmelon Delicious 51, Canteloupe
Nasturtium – Dwarf Jewel, Jewel, Empress of India
Okra – Clemson Spineless
Pepper – Cayenne, Criolla Sella, Jalepeno, Banana, Korean Dark Green, Chinese 5 Color
Sunflower – Lemon Queen, Fat Mama, Skyscraper
Squash – Zucchini, Golden Zucchini, Summer Crookneck,
Tobacco – Catterton, Hopi Wild
Tomato – Cherokee Purple, Beefsteak, Principe Borghese, Riesentraube, Black Cherry, Sweetie Cherry, Brandywine, Large Yellow Pear, Sweet 100, Roma
Watermelon – Moon & Stars, Sugar Baby
Grain/Cover Crops: Purple Hulless Barley, Hard Red Wheat, Crimson Clover, Dutch White Micro Clover
Flowers/Tea Garden: Yarrow (White, Coastal), Calendula, Echinachea, Chamomile (German, Roman), St. Johns Wort, Morning Glory, Poppy, Hibiscus
Other Herbs: Lemon Balm, Mint, Spearmint, Thyme, Oregano, Rosemary, Tarragon, Marjoram, Summer Savory, Parsley, Chives, Fenugreek, Lovage,
Other Random Things: Strawberries, New Zealand Spinach, Comfrey, Stinging Nettle.

obviously things like hops, comfrey, or strawberries are already in the ground...but i figured i'd include them in the list anyway..

at my house there are the same assortment of veggies, hops, comfrey, herbs, etc. less space than the community gardens...something like 15x30..and another small plot thats about 5x30...also some raised beds here and there.

what would you guys do with this assortment of seeds? i'm hoping to plant tomorrow or the day after...so throw your ideas at me! i'll hear anything out....

also, how do you guys go about hardening off plants? I'm finding it a bit difficult with the intensity of the sun here...after 20 minutes in the sun plants are wilting like crazy
 

Ballsonrawls

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its getting about 90 where im at in direct sunlight. i have been keeping them in the shade for a week or so. or ill make it so they just receive the first few hours of morning sunlight until they can take more hours.
 

kushking42

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start them in flats and place them in the shade. or you can set up row cover with shade cloth from peaceful valley etc.

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Rising Moon

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Last year I had HUGE success planting in the "3 sisters" style.

I made 3x3 mounds, transplanted sunflowers or corn on top, direct seeded climbing beans/peas next to the corn/sunflowers, and planted squash, watermelons and cucumbers on the sides of the mounds.

Creating a trellis for the beans/peas, and ground cover/protection from squash/melons.

It looked really cool when it was all growing, and yielded really nicely.

I would undersow ALL your long season crops, especially since you think no one will be taking over... Seed the Earth!
 

GreenSanta

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just checking in...way too busy right now...trimming as we speak. no time to catch up on any threads here let alone post any updates...everything indoors is moving along smoothly.

been focusing most of my attention getting the outdoor beds ready for planting...working with about 2500sqft of space this year, gonna have a lot of veggies :)

y'all reckon i should start a new thread for veggie garden stuff or should we just discuss it here? i don't mind....

got some beds to plan and I would love to get input from you folks..ideas on companion planting and such. i'll draw up some diagrams of the garden space and find a list of all the seeds I have...

in the meantime back to trimming..bout to smoke up some finger hash first :bigjoint:

things should settle down in a few days and I can post some pics
really busy too but there are a few threads that i will catch up when less busy this summer including this one, i dont mind the veggies in here since most of us are also growing a little veggies garden and it's all no-till related stuff (my first no-till container is going in a month from now!!!)
 

GreenSanta

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since we are talking gardening, do u guys compost weeds from ur garden and how long does it take for the seeds to decompose? i hate the idea of taking nutrients out of the soil and giving them to the city weekly, there has to be a way to compost weeds?
 

NickNasty

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since we are talking gardening, do u guys compost weeds from ur garden and how long does it take for the seeds to decompose? i hate the idea of taking nutrients out of the soil and giving them to the city weekly, there has to be a way to compost weeds?
Got this compliments of Rising Moon in the https://www.rollitup.org/organics/636057-recycled-organic-living-soil-rols.html thread. It is at least one way of going about this.


I'm getting a couple of my outdoor beds ready as well..

LOVING my front yard right now as its exploding with white clover, red clover, dandelions and various perennial grasses and herbs.

Anyone with access to a lawn can make really cool home made plant meal very easily...

Simply mow your lawn (that hopefully has LOTS of Clover, Alfalfa, Dandelion and other herbs sown in because...why not!) collect the clippings, and thinly spread them out on a tarp, or in this case, I just used my raised beds and sun dry them for a day or two depending. Let them dry just to the point of crispiness while there still nice and green..











Then, I just raked them up, and into a 5 gallon bucket: (dont mind the little bits of perlite/coco)



And crushed it up with my hands..(it should powder up pretty easily)



This clover/grass/dandelion meal can now be stored for use indoors/outdoors, for topdressing, teas and also worm food/bedding.

I also managed to gather quite a bit of Dandelions for topdressing a couple of the big outdoor beds...



And made some tea with the flower heads...(I added an airstone after the photo, its always good to aerate your herbal teas..)




Peace everyone!

Happy Spring!



Rising Moon
 

Cann

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:) awesome repost, thanks for that NN (and RM of course)

the dried plant meal is also something I do - collect things like dandelion, horsetail, lambs quarters, and cannabis leaves - dry them out, crumble, and store in a cardboard box. great for topdressing plants, feeding to worms, making into teas, etc. and you cant beat the price :)

more updates to come later...busy busy busy. its actually supposed to rain here today so by default I have to spend the day outside just to soak up the last bit of rain (albeit probably acid rain..) in the desert. days like this its actually enjoyable to be in the garden, not oppressively hot :bigjoint:

fucking earwigs are destroying all my veggies - anyone else have this problem?

went out with a headlamp the other night to find this - goodbye baby canteloupe

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NickNasty

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Frogs and lizards will eat earwigs you can also use citrus oil to kill them they come out at night so thats the best time to get them. Also spinosad will kill them you could get sluggo plus its organic pest bate with spinosad in it. It's safe for animals but it can also kill bees so I wouldn't use it on anything with flowers on it. Also they you can use shallow dishes filled with veg. oil and they will drown in it. Sticky traps work too.
 

Cann

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i have some spinosad, might use that - i also might try some beer traps, sticky traps, oil traps, etc - but i've killed over 100 manually (squeezing between my fingertips) over the last few nights, and last night when I checked there were only a few out there (although that still doesn't mean more aren't hatching daily...). they tend to congregate on the weakest plants - literally all of the earwigs in a 10x20 area will be on one plant - and then i just shake the plant off over cardboard and smash them as they scatter :) pretty rewarding after seeing the damage they've been doing to my babies lol. i'm usually nice to all animals, but mess with my children....

i think i'll keep checking nightly - and assuming I don't find hordes of earwigs again I will most likely not spray..don't want to harm any of the bees around here, i'm sure they're getting poisoned enough by all the agriculture and industry in the area. maybe a beer trap with some leftover homebrew...this shit is strong and bitter though, anyone think they'll like an IPA? 8.3% abv...around 100 IBUs lol. probably a bit much for earwigs eh?
 

snowboarder396

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Def. Beer traps cann. And id go with a little bit of sweeter beer to attrack then into it with just a drop dish soap that will help keep them in and help kill them.
 
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