Cannabutter or RSO

Discussion in 'Concentrates and Extracts' started by kushedy, Dec 1, 2018.

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    kushedy

    kushedy Well-Known Member

    I’ve not made oil, butter or any other extract before. I have a fair wedge of trim I want to use to create some sort of extract.

    The intention is to ingest what ever I produce, probably as a sleep aid but also as a general health improver.

    My question here is what method gets the most out of weed, making cannabutter or Rick Simpson Oil?

    Essentially, I guess which is the most efficient way of getting the most out of my weed/trim & into a product I can ingest?

    Thanks in advance for any input.
     
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    Joe.Grow

    Joe.Grow Member

    I’ll be doing this myself soon and will be doing the rso with a rice cooker. Seems like a simpler way to dose and try the butter at a later time.
     
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    If you are comfortable making RSO do that. You can then mix that RSO into butter or coconut oil to make brownies or any sort of edible you want ;). Or you can just consume the rso straight if thats more your thing.

    I personally prefer QWISO, but RSO is a wider spectrum medicine rather then just a get high concentrate.
     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @kushedy,
    I am with @Thundercat, if you are comfortable making the RSO, make this, then you will know your yield.
    then you can more accurately put the amount you want into the butter.
    This way there are no surprises.
     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @Thundercat,

    RSO is a form of QWISO...
    There are "technically" the same thing...
     
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    Not usually quite the same. While they are both solvent extractions Rick Simpson has advocate for several different solvents over the years including naphtha to perform his process not specifically alcohol. Rso is also usually soaked and is not commonly a dabable concentrate due to the high chlorophyll. Rso is also heavily cooked down which won't leave as many tasty terpenes.

    Qwiso is all about being quick and cold. A good qwiso turns out nice and clean with very little contamination which leaves a tasty dabable extract. I don't decarb my qwiso or heat it at all until I dab it or use it to cook with. This helps retain the flavor.
     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @Thundercat,
    That is true, Rick does like his Benzine (petrol ether).

    Rick's "soaks" are more like just breaking up the cannabis while in the solvent rather then before.

    I agree, because everything is done at room temp, there is a lot of chlorophyll.
    But I think he has changed his process (the rice cooker) to make it more accessible.

    As far as being "heavily cooked down" using a rice cooker, the mixture only boils to like 212, which is under the temp that destroys the anti-inflammatory terpene (ß-caryophyllene), which is usually the first to be cooked off.

    With RSO, the decarbing is finalized on a mini hot plate or coffee warmer, it's a lower heat, which takes longer for the decarbing to happen, but less is destroyed in the process.


     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @Thundercat,
    The processes are very similar and with minor tweaks, you cannot tell one from the other.

    DWC and Kratky are the same way, minor changes and they are the same thing...
     
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    Have you seen my qwiso or @qwisoking it looks nothing like any RSO I've seen? When I make qwiso it's very light in color with little to no chlorophyll. I don't ever apply heat to my qwiso anymore so that I don't just save the medical terpenes but also the more volital mono terpenes that evap at much lower temps.

    When I do a quick wash on fresh frozen material like we talked about last night it comes out even nicer. The oil is loaded with all the tastiness that bud had. Fresh frozen qwiso tastes like rubbing a fresh cola and smelling your fingers.

    No offence btw I think Rso is awesome. But RSO is ment to be taken orally. Qwiso is meant to vape/dab/smoke.

    I'm not saying someone can't clean up their RSO and make it smokeable. Just stating that've never seen it happen because it's not how people usually use RSO.
     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @Thundercat,

    I believe I have been misunderstood, I merely stated that they are "similar" not the same...
    And that with some minor tweaks, one can become the other.
    That's all...
    I wasn't comparing the end results, I was merely saying how the processes are similar, but again, not the same...

    Just so we are clear...
     
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    I'm not trying to argue, but I didn't misunderstand you. You quite literally said RSO is a form of QWISO, and they are the same thing. I think you misunderstand here. THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME.

    Yes they are both solvent based extractions techs. That is the end of the similarities......

    I have seen dirty bad iso extracts that look like RSO, I have not seen RSO that looks like good qwiso. Two different types of solvent extracts for 2 different purposes.

    They are no more the same then BHO and RSO. Sure both are solvent extracts, but are totally different processes and outcomes.
     
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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

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    Chris Edward

    Chris Edward Well-Known Member

    @Thundercat,
    I never said they were the same.
    I said they were "technically" the same and I also said they are "similar."

    I went on further to say that with minor tweaks, they are essentially the same technique.

    You seem to have this idea of what RSO is and it's not really that way...
    I have seen amber colored RSO's...
    I have also seen dirt and chocolate brown RSO's and QWISO's...
    It just depends on who's making it...

    Rick Simpson has a video floating around on YouTube, it's pretty good and it shows him actually making the oil and some of the things you claim are done while making RSO, as simply not done by Rick Simpson.

    To be honest, you seem to want to prove the point that QWISO is a higher quality technique than RSO.
    That's the impression I am getting...
    Whatever, I am not going to fight with you about minutia...

    So, like I said before, let's agree to disagree...
     
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    lol I've watched Ricks videos and been to his site, and researched the work he does its awesome. Rick has used several different solvents over the years, and his tech and instructions have changed with time.

    I never said QWISO was a higher quality technique or any better, not sure where you got that, and I'm not trying to prove anything other then they are different to prevent confusion to others. The 2 terms refer to 2 different end products that are typically used differently.

    RSO is awesome stuff and serves its purpose well!
     

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