Cannabutter or RSO

kushedy

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I’ve not made oil, butter or any other extract before. I have a fair wedge of trim I want to use to create some sort of extract.

The intention is to ingest what ever I produce, probably as a sleep aid but also as a general health improver.

My question here is what method gets the most out of weed, making cannabutter or Rick Simpson Oil?

Essentially, I guess which is the most efficient way of getting the most out of my weed/trim & into a product I can ingest?

Thanks in advance for any input.
 

Joe.Grow

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I’ll be doing this myself soon and will be doing the rso with a rice cooker. Seems like a simpler way to dose and try the butter at a later time.
 

Thundercat

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If you are comfortable making RSO do that. You can then mix that RSO into butter or coconut oil to make brownies or any sort of edible you want ;). Or you can just consume the rso straight if thats more your thing.

I personally prefer QWISO, but RSO is a wider spectrum medicine rather then just a get high concentrate.
 

Thundercat

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@Thundercat,

RSO is a form of QWISO...
There are "technically" the same thing...
Not usually quite the same. While they are both solvent extractions Rick Simpson has advocate for several different solvents over the years including naphtha to perform his process not specifically alcohol. Rso is also usually soaked and is not commonly a dabable concentrate due to the high chlorophyll. Rso is also heavily cooked down which won't leave as many tasty terpenes.

Qwiso is all about being quick and cold. A good qwiso turns out nice and clean with very little contamination which leaves a tasty dabable extract. I don't decarb my qwiso or heat it at all until I dab it or use it to cook with. This helps retain the flavor.
 

Chris Edward

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@Thundercat,
That is true, Rick does like his Benzine (petrol ether).

Rick's "soaks" are more like just breaking up the cannabis while in the solvent rather then before.

I agree, because everything is done at room temp, there is a lot of chlorophyll.
But I think he has changed his process (the rice cooker) to make it more accessible.

As far as being "heavily cooked down" using a rice cooker, the mixture only boils to like 212, which is under the temp that destroys the anti-inflammatory terpene (ß-caryophyllene), which is usually the first to be cooked off.

With RSO, the decarbing is finalized on a mini hot plate or coffee warmer, it's a lower heat, which takes longer for the decarbing to happen, but less is destroyed in the process.


 

Chris Edward

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@Thundercat,
The processes are very similar and with minor tweaks, you cannot tell one from the other.

DWC and Kratky are the same way, minor changes and they are the same thing...
 

Thundercat

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Have you seen my qwiso or @qwisoking it looks nothing like any RSO I've seen? When I make qwiso it's very light in color with little to no chlorophyll. I don't ever apply heat to my qwiso anymore so that I don't just save the medical terpenes but also the more volital mono terpenes that evap at much lower temps.

When I do a quick wash on fresh frozen material like we talked about last night it comes out even nicer. The oil is loaded with all the tastiness that bud had. Fresh frozen qwiso tastes like rubbing a fresh cola and smelling your fingers.

No offence btw I think Rso is awesome. But RSO is ment to be taken orally. Qwiso is meant to vape/dab/smoke.

I'm not saying someone can't clean up their RSO and make it smokeable. Just stating that've never seen it happen because it's not how people usually use RSO.
 

Chris Edward

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@Thundercat,

I believe I have been misunderstood, I merely stated that they are "similar" not the same...
And that with some minor tweaks, one can become the other.
That's all...
I wasn't comparing the end results, I was merely saying how the processes are similar, but again, not the same...

Just so we are clear...
 

Thundercat

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@Thundercat,

RSO is a form of QWISO...
There are "technically" the same thing...
@Thundercat,

I believe I have been misunderstood, I merely stated that they are "similar" not the same...
And that with some minor tweaks, one can become the other.
That's all...
I wasn't comparing the end results, I was merely saying how the processes are similar, but again, not the same...

Just so we are clear...
I'm not trying to argue, but I didn't misunderstand you. You quite literally said RSO is a form of QWISO, and they are the same thing. I think you misunderstand here. THEY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME.

Yes they are both solvent based extractions techs. That is the end of the similarities......

I have seen dirty bad iso extracts that look like RSO, I have not seen RSO that looks like good qwiso. Two different types of solvent extracts for 2 different purposes.

They are no more the same then BHO and RSO. Sure both are solvent extracts, but are totally different processes and outcomes.
 

Chris Edward

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@Thundercat,
I never said they were the same.
I said they were "technically" the same and I also said they are "similar."

I went on further to say that with minor tweaks, they are essentially the same technique.

You seem to have this idea of what RSO is and it's not really that way...
I have seen amber colored RSO's...
I have also seen dirt and chocolate brown RSO's and QWISO's...
It just depends on who's making it...

Rick Simpson has a video floating around on YouTube, it's pretty good and it shows him actually making the oil and some of the things you claim are done while making RSO, as simply not done by Rick Simpson.

To be honest, you seem to want to prove the point that QWISO is a higher quality technique than RSO.
That's the impression I am getting...
Whatever, I am not going to fight with you about minutia...

So, like I said before, let's agree to disagree...
 

Thundercat

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@Thundercat,
I never said they were the same.
I said they were "technically" the same and I also said they are "similar."

I went on further to say that with minor tweaks, they are essentially the same technique.

You seem to have this idea of what RSO is and it's not really that way...
I have seen amber colored RSO's...
I have also seen dirt and chocolate brown RSO's and QWISO's...
It just depends on who's making it...

Rick Simpson has a video floating around on YouTube, it's pretty good and it shows him actually making the oil and some of the things you claim are done while making RSO, as simply not done by Rick Simpson.

To be honest, you seem to want to prove the point that QWISO is a higher quality technique than RSO.
That's the impression I am getting...
Whatever, I am not going to fight with you about minutia...

So, like I said before, let's agree to disagree...
lol I've watched Ricks videos and been to his site, and researched the work he does its awesome. Rick has used several different solvents over the years, and his tech and instructions have changed with time.

I never said QWISO was a higher quality technique or any better, not sure where you got that, and I'm not trying to prove anything other then they are different to prevent confusion to others. The 2 terms refer to 2 different end products that are typically used differently.

RSO is awesome stuff and serves its purpose well!
 

Fadedawg

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I’ve not made oil, butter or any other extract before. I have a fair wedge of trim I want to use to create some sort of extract.

The intention is to ingest what ever I produce, probably as a sleep aid but also as a general health improver.

My question here is what method gets the most out of weed, making cannabutter or Rick Simpson Oil?

Essentially, I guess which is the most efficient way of getting the most out of my weed/trim & into a product I can ingest?

Thanks in advance for any input.
Rick Simpson primarily used naphtha for his extractions, and as a mixture of non-polar solvents, it is not prone to extract C-55 polar-chlorophyll, but does pick up the C-40 b-Carotene, and the plant waxes around C-30. It would also extract the C-10 mono-terpenes and the C-15 sesquiterpenes, in addition to our targeted C-22 Terpenoids/Cannabinoids. For that reason it was considered to be "full spectrum". It will also pick up the C-55 Pheophytin if the Chlorophyll has been deprotonated.

Define full spectrum, as polar solvents like ethanol and isopropanol extract the same molecules, though not as much of the plant waxes and b-Carotene, plus it does go after the C-55 Chlorophyll.

QWET and QWISO are techniques for lowering the extraction temperatures and limiting soak time to reduce extraction of the molecules longer than C-22. If the concentrate is to be used for dabbing, orally, or topically, not having the Chlorophyll present in high concentration is a good thing, as it is harsh to dab, gives some folks severe gastric upset taken orally, and stains your clothing when use topically.

Rick's technique purging in a rice cooker, eliminates many of the aromatic C-10 through C-15 mono and sesquiterpenes, and many of them leave with the alcohol when purging after QWET/QWISO, so neither truly delivers a full spectrum of what is in the plant.

As many of you know, naphtha is not a specific hydrocarbon molecule, it is actually just a boiling point range for a mixture of light hydrocarbons, which unfortunately contains Benzene, a known carcinogen. Rick's rice cooker solution also does not remove residual solvents to within FDA residual solvent standards.

What Rick's technique did do, is show that what ever it was worked against cancer and other diseases and saved lives. When I confronted him with the Benzene and residual solvent issues, he noted that however insalubrious it might be, it saved the life of someone that was dying and that residual naphtha ties up the liver processing it and therefore leaves the cannabinoids in the system longer to do their work. Both statements absolutely true.

At SPR we provided HAO or HSO to end of life and seriously ill patients that we made from BHO and QWET, and which gave some miraculous recoveries and saved lives, leading me to believe that we were supplying the critical ingredient, what ever it might be.

According to Dr. Robert Melamede, the entourage effect is important, but it is the phyto cannabinoids effects on our bodies endo cannabinoid system that does the heavy lifting, kick starting the endo cannabinoid system, which controls our bodies immune system. If our immune system was not lagging, it would have already taken care of the problem automatically on its own.

Sooooo to answer your question, you can extract with non-polar vegetable oils, but you are limited to how much they will extract before reaching saturation, so you have to use more of the mixture for the same effects, and you can't evaporate some of it away to concentrate the mixture.

I suggest QWET your first time around, because it requires less equipment and experience to do safely, and residual solvent is less of an issue.

As noted, it will mix at any ratio with vegetable oil, if that is the menstruum you prefer, can be taken in pill form, dabbed, turned into a topical, or mixed with coco butter to make an effective suppository.

 
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shawn.hamilton

New Member
I’ve not made oil, butter or any other extract before. I have a fair wedge of trim I want to use to create some sort of extract.

The intention is to ingest what ever I produce, probably as a sleep aid but also as a general health improver.

My question here is what method gets the most out of weed, making cannabutter or Rick Simpson Oil?

Essentially, I guess which is the most efficient way of getting the most out of my weed/trim & into a product I can ingest?

Thanks in advance for any input.
Here is a good piece of article about RSO which might help you in your decision making purpose https://grasschief.com/rso-the-man-the-medicine-the-magic/ Good luck :)
 
@Thundercat,
I never said they were the same.
I said they were "technically" the same and I also said they are "similar."

I went on further to say that with minor tweaks, they are essentially the same technique.

You seem to have this idea of what RSO is and it's not really that way...
I have seen amber colored RSO's...
I have also seen dirt and chocolate brown RSO's and QWISO's...
It just depends on who's making it...

Rick Simpson has a video floating around on YouTube, it's pretty good and it shows him actually making the oil and some of the things you claim are done while making RSO, as simply not done by Rick Simpson.

To be honest, you seem to want to prove the point that QWISO is a higher quality technique than RSO.
That's the impression I am getting...
Whatever, I am not going to fight with you about minutia...

So, like I said before, let's agree to disagree...
No it seems like youre talking out of your ass, got called out on it, and now trying to make it seem like the other guy is crazy.

DWC and Kratky are similar but fundamentally different, like RSO and QWISO. Its okay if youre not knowledgable on the subject, just dont spread mis-information.
 

Thundercat

Well-Known Member
No it seems like youre talking out of your ass, got called out on it, and now trying to make it seem like the other guy is crazy.

DWC and Kratky are similar but fundamentally different, like RSO and QWISO. Its okay if youre not knowledgable on the subject, just dont spread mis-information.
Thankfully I learned years ago that people don’t have to agree with me for me to be right .
 
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