Budley Doright
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The goverment had to prioritize the First Nation communities due to living conditions. When 2-3 generations live in a shack with two bedrooms and one store it’s hard to isolate.
Canada’s shameful history of marginalization exposed again.
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CunningCanuk
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Of course. Kingston.Kingston actually. And yes I was there. We (work) have a box so had access to a few tickets.
I’ve seen them live a couple dozen times and the last time was at Massey Hall in Toronto in 2010. Would have loved to been there in Kingston.
Budley Doright
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Look up Sydenham, Ontario and how they achieved it. Yes it cost money and that cost was spread out over a very long period of time and added to every persons tax bill. Now the have a municipal water plant serving the village.Here's one from a town 10 mins from my house. People debate the cause of the contamination, but that doesn't change the fact that something needs to be done about the water. The simple fact is that water treatment and distribution is expensive and people don't want to pay for it, they want it provided for them. When faced with the true cost of clean water people will simply do without, but it won't stop them from complaining about it.
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For years residents of Harrietsfield have been unable to drink water from their corroded, contaminated taps. The source of the contamination is now being cleaned up but the need for clean water remains.www.google.ca
printer
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Actually many people do care. But quite often there are 'structural' problems. Same with the housing, 'it is falling apart', twice as many people living in them a house as designed for. Now if you have six kids in a three bedroom house then you start having issues. The ventilation system in the house is not designed for it and you get airborne diseases circulated. You have some reserves that the housing is designed as if it were cottage country (which it is in a way). Situated on rock along the lake shore with a minimal soil depth. It is pretty hard having a piped treated water service like you have in cities. Can't dig a trench and bury the water pipes so they do not freeze in the cities.
Then they have cisterns, truck in the water. But you can not just dump water in them and expect bacteria not to grow. They have to be sterilized routinely.
Cisterns in Manitoba First Nations communities found to contain E. coli
On CBC Radio's Up to Speed this afternoon, Farenhorst said, "If we compare the cistern quality with the pipe water quality, the cisterns were 40 times more likely to contain live bacteria. And there are also particular bacteria that are called E. coli - and they're measured separately - and we found that cisterns are 60 times more likely to contain E. coli than piped water. So there's a real clear difference between the water quality in homes that receive water from pipes versus those that rely on cisterns."
Farenhorst's research looked at water samples from cisterns and pipes in three Manitoba First Nations communities - but she does not have permission from the communities to reveal which ones she did the research in.
In 119 samples from these communities, she found an average of 57 E.coli colonies per 100 millimetres of water in cisterns - which is 63 times higher than amounts found in pipes on these reserves.
"Our samples are relatively small, so we focused typically on 10 cisterns and then we sample at various times in the year," said Farenhorst. "But if you're looking at communities such as Wasagamack - 73 percent of the time that they sampled the cisterns throughout 2014 - that water contained bacteria."
Googled Wasagamack, no street side view, best is a now covered satellite picture. At best the houses are 50 meter apart in places, 100-200 m is not unusual. And it would not be bad if they were like a city subdivision, with one street next to the other. No, it is houses snaking along the lake edge.
And then you need people that do run the water system to keep up with maintenance. You have to treat the water, it is not plug and play. You do not just install it and walk away. You also do not install it and then start building houses along the inlet pipe with minimal septic systems. I don't want to sound overly harsh but a lot of the problems can be attributed to expecting urban expectations to rural or cottage situations. Too many people in an area that can not absorb their ecological footprint and not concentrated enough to make the infrastructure feasible. Where living in harmony with nature would mean less people for the given area.
And this is not talking about one isolated reserve, but many. Some are run right, some not. I have not had the opportunity to visit the reserves but for the last ten years I worked in a department with roughly ten people (we were short at times) and two were from the north, one Native, another who grew up in the city but did work in the north is also Native and a buddy of mine. All three are electricians, they were sent up to the reserves to do jobs with different companies. My uncle drove building supplies up to the communities, some on the winter road networks as there was no year round roads.
A lot of times the communities cause their own problems. There are complex social problems. It is easy to blame on Residential Schools, some never grew up knowing how to raise kids, some with FAS, a lot of bad stuff going on that is only now starting to come out from under a code of science. Stuff that if I said it I would be called racist but my workmates could say because they have the right skin color. Not to paint them all with the same brush, some communities are doing well. The one's that have major problems will need generations to fix their problems. And it will not be fixed easily with some water or new homes.
Ozumoz66
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I went to see my Native (Mohawk/Iroquois) friend today and had an informative listen. He was raised near the Oneida reservation west of London. He had two uncles that vanished in the residential school program in Brantford, ON and believes that location too will be excavated soon. His step-Dad was sexual abused by the military in Cobourg, ON. He doesn't celebrate Canada Day nor Thanksgiving.
My neighbour delivers potable water to Oneida as his weekly day job. London built a landfill dump adjacent to the reservation, plus London frequently dumps raw sewage into the Thames River that flows by the reservation. Well water at Oneida has been contaminated for more than a couple decades.
I heard this poem called "Monster" a number of years ago and had my wife listen to it this morning. It's a survivor's poem and always gives me goosebumps listening to it.
The issues regarding the Native population are sad and complicated. My friend used the word "heal" a lot today.
George Lopez was on last night. He pondered why, if we're all supposed to be equal, why are there still minorities?
My neighbour delivers potable water to Oneida as his weekly day job. London built a landfill dump adjacent to the reservation, plus London frequently dumps raw sewage into the Thames River that flows by the reservation. Well water at Oneida has been contaminated for more than a couple decades.
I heard this poem called "Monster" a number of years ago and had my wife listen to it this morning. It's a survivor's poem and always gives me goosebumps listening to it.
The issues regarding the Native population are sad and complicated. My friend used the word "heal" a lot today.
George Lopez was on last night. He pondered why, if we're all supposed to be equal, why are there still minorities?
printer
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Because the minorities do not want to be absorbed into the general fabric of society. You lose who you are and become one grain on a seashore. Canada has gone the opposite way than the US. Rather than being folded into society Canada says we are ok with you to be a minority.
Southernontariogrower
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1867 or 68 to split hairs, only know bc a Cannuck myself
Southernontariogrower
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Spent too many years in Kingston area, never been in town except coming and going.
Southernontariogrower
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Live in city in Canada if ppm meter correct 550 ppm Cloramine so wont burn off even if aeratedActually many people do care. But quite often there are 'structural' problems. Same with the housing, 'it is falling apart', twice as many people living in them a house as designed for. Now if you have six kids in a three bedroom house then you start having issues. The ventilation system in the house is not designed for it and you get airborne diseases circulated. You have some reserves that the housing is designed as if it were cottage country (which it is in a way). Situated on rock along the lake shore with a minimal soil depth. It is pretty hard having a piped treated water service like you have in cities. Can't dig a trench and bury the water pipes so they do not freeze in the cities.
Then they have cisterns, truck in the water. But you can not just dump water in them and expect bacteria not to grow. They have to be sterilized routinely.
Cisterns in Manitoba First Nations communities found to contain E. coli
On CBC Radio's Up to Speed this afternoon, Farenhorst said, "If we compare the cistern quality with the pipe water quality, the cisterns were 40 times more likely to contain live bacteria. And there are also particular bacteria that are called E. coli - and they're measured separately - and we found that cisterns are 60 times more likely to contain E. coli than piped water. So there's a real clear difference between the water quality in homes that receive water from pipes versus those that rely on cisterns."
Farenhorst's research looked at water samples from cisterns and pipes in three Manitoba First Nations communities - but she does not have permission from the communities to reveal which ones she did the research in.
In 119 samples from these communities, she found an average of 57 E.coli colonies per 100 millimetres of water in cisterns - which is 63 times higher than amounts found in pipes on these reserves.
"Our samples are relatively small, so we focused typically on 10 cisterns and then we sample at various times in the year," said Farenhorst. "But if you're looking at communities such as Wasagamack - 73 percent of the time that they sampled the cisterns throughout 2014 - that water contained bacteria."
Googled Wasagamack, no street side view, best is a now covered satellite picture. At best the houses are 50 meter apart in places, 100-200 m is not unusual. And it would not be bad if they were like a city subdivision, with one street next to the other. No, it is houses snaking along the lake edge.
And then you need people that do run the water system to keep up with maintenance. You have to treat the water, it is not plug and play. You do not just install it and walk away. You also do not install it and then start building houses along the inlet pipe with minimal septic systems. I don't want to sound overly harsh but a lot of the problems can be attributed to expecting urban expectations to rural or cottage situations. Too many people in an area that can not absorb their ecological footprint and not concentrated enough to make the infrastructure feasible. Where living in harmony with nature would mean less people for the given area.
And this is not talking about one isolated reserve, but many. Some are run right, some not. I have not had the opportunity to visit the reserves but for the last ten years I worked in a department with roughly ten people (we were short at times) and two were from the north, one Native, another who grew up in the city but did work in the north is also Native and a buddy of mine. All three are electricians, they were sent up to the reserves to do jobs with different companies. My uncle drove building supplies up to the communities, some on the winter road networks as there was no year round roads.
A lot of times the communities cause their own problems. There are complex social problems. It is easy to blame on Residential Schools, some never grew up knowing how to raise kids, some with FAS, a lot of bad stuff going on that is only now starting to come out from under a code of science. Stuff that if I said it I would be called racist but my workmates could say because they have the right skin color. Not to paint them all with the same brush, some communities are doing well. The one's that have major problems will need generations to fix their problems. And it will not be fixed easily with some water or new homes.
Southernontariogrower
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I know a few ppl that were in residential schools, nightmares are made out of their stories. Damn scary for kids to go through that. Any kids.
Southernontariogrower
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Was in tears by a little over half way. Thats only the start of what Catholosism brought our native brothers and sisters, lm white and hate more of my own race than any other. Never thought ld hear myself say that. But truth prevails.
CunningCanuk
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Southernontariogrower
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Yup as CunningCanuk said wish was true, racist as all hell up here, everyone hates everyone, even hate themselves!
Budley Doright
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A lot of these “communities” were built/designed by the government of the day and forced people to live there. Water is just one of the issues that plague these communities. Yes it’s complexed and it’s been complexed for decades. If these issues plagued any community that had rich white people living there you’d be guaranteed it would be a priority. It sounds a bit like your blaming the people that were uprooted from their traditional lands then forgotten. School funding is like a 1/3rd of the the public school system. All I’m saying is there could be more done, and some things easily done, to alleviate a lot of the issues that isn’t being done. Promises are made then seem to be forgotten very quickly but yes your right in saying there are many issues that must be addressed. I drive through a First Nations community every week and what is readily apparent is the wealth devide between the people there with some living in a 3-4 million dollar home and a tarpaper shack 1/4 mile awayActually many people do care. But quite often there are 'structural' problems. Same with the housing, 'it is falling apart', twice as many people living in them a house as designed for. Now if you have six kids in a three bedroom house then you start having issues. The ventilation system in the house is not designed for it and you get airborne diseases circulated. You have some reserves that the housing is designed as if it were cottage country (which it is in a way). Situated on rock along the lake shore with a minimal soil depth. It is pretty hard having a piped treated water service like you have in cities. Can't dig a trench and bury the water pipes so they do not freeze in the cities.
Then they have cisterns, truck in the water. But you can not just dump water in them and expect bacteria not to grow. They have to be sterilized routinely.
Cisterns in Manitoba First Nations communities found to contain E. coli
On CBC Radio's Up to Speed this afternoon, Farenhorst said, "If we compare the cistern quality with the pipe water quality, the cisterns were 40 times more likely to contain live bacteria. And there are also particular bacteria that are called E. coli - and they're measured separately - and we found that cisterns are 60 times more likely to contain E. coli than piped water. So there's a real clear difference between the water quality in homes that receive water from pipes versus those that rely on cisterns."
Farenhorst's research looked at water samples from cisterns and pipes in three Manitoba First Nations communities - but she does not have permission from the communities to reveal which ones she did the research in.
In 119 samples from these communities, she found an average of 57 E.coli colonies per 100 millimetres of water in cisterns - which is 63 times higher than amounts found in pipes on these reserves.
"Our samples are relatively small, so we focused typically on 10 cisterns and then we sample at various times in the year," said Farenhorst. "But if you're looking at communities such as Wasagamack - 73 percent of the time that they sampled the cisterns throughout 2014 - that water contained bacteria."
Googled Wasagamack, no street side view, best is a now covered satellite picture. At best the houses are 50 meter apart in places, 100-200 m is not unusual. And it would not be bad if they were like a city subdivision, with one street next to the other. No, it is houses snaking along the lake edge.
And then you need people that do run the water system to keep up with maintenance. You have to treat the water, it is not plug and play. You do not just install it and walk away. You also do not install it and then start building houses along the inlet pipe with minimal septic systems. I don't want to sound overly harsh but a lot of the problems can be attributed to expecting urban expectations to rural or cottage situations. Too many people in an area that can not absorb their ecological footprint and not concentrated enough to make the infrastructure feasible. Where living in harmony with nature would mean less people for the given area.
And this is not talking about one isolated reserve, but many. Some are run right, some not. I have not had the opportunity to visit the reserves but for the last ten years I worked in a department with roughly ten people (we were short at times) and two were from the north, one Native, another who grew up in the city but did work in the north is also Native and a buddy of mine. All three are electricians, they were sent up to the reserves to do jobs with different companies. My uncle drove building supplies up to the communities, some on the winter road networks as there was no year round roads.
A lot of times the communities cause their own problems. There are complex social problems. It is easy to blame on Residential Schools, some never grew up knowing how to raise kids, some with FAS, a lot of bad stuff going on that is only now starting to come out from under a code of science. Stuff that if I said it I would be called racist but my workmates could say because they have the right skin color. Not to paint them all with the same brush, some communities are doing well. The one's that have major problems will need generations to fix their problems. And it will not be fixed easily with some water or new homes.
. Although things seem to be getting better now that there are dispensaries every 100’ on the main arteries lol. (Just bought a 1/4 of sweet god to try $35). The point of this thread I think, is to point out that it took a search to find 230 buried kids, how the fuck do 230 kids just vanish in Canada, think about it!
Budley Doright
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But but it’s Canada, we’re not racist. It’s the US that’s racist, not Canada. It’s all sunny ways here haven’t you heard
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BurtMaklin
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If I were to guess, the story goes something like this...
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Is there such a thing as "reconciliation" when you've treated people like this?
Southernontariogrower
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Man what ppl do to others, its sickening! How many got raped and killed by the priests in those schools. Call themselves christians it makes me sick! Satanists is closer to the mark, sick bastards. My friends got raped by them many times and they were called liars. Im glad the truth is coming out. Too slowly for my liking, waiting for the guilty to die of old age before charging them, they should die in pennitentary. Imo only!
DIY-HP-LED
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The land issue can be rectified, there's plenty of it in Canada and having these people living on, or next to dumps is wrong. A good start might be giving them a menu of options of where to relocate, expropriate farms if required and build communities. Natives face a social problem however, besides all the others, if they leave their communities, or their communities are integrated into larger ones, in many cases they tend to lose their language, culture and sense of intrinsic identity over time. We have some prosperous mig maw (also called Mi'kmaq) communities and some are part of cities here in NS and others who live in more isolated villages. To the best of my knowledge there are not too many issues with housing and water here in NS, but there are of course treaty and land issues as there are everywhere.A lot of these “communities” were built/designed by the government of the day and forced people to live there. Water is just one of the issues that plague these communities. Yes it’s complexed and it’s been complexed for decades. If these issues plagued any community that had rich white people living there you’d be guaranteed it would be a priority. It sounds a bit like your blaming the people that were uprooted from their traditional lands then forgotten. School funding is like a 1/3rd of the the public school system. All I’m saying is there could be more done, and some things easily done, to alleviate a lot of the issues that isn’t being done. Promises are made then seem to be forgotten very quickly but yes your right in saying there are many issues that must be addressed. I drive through a First Nations community every week and what is readily apparent is the wealth devide between the people there with some living in a 3-4 million dollar home and a tarpaper shack 1/4 mile away
I remember being back home a few decades ago and there was a controversy about the local mig maw in NB putting a gill net across the Miramichi salmon river in NB. I remember seeing an interview with the chief of the tribe on TV, he was a dead ringer for Kenny Rogers, the country singer, except he had a blond beard and hair! It got me thinking that in a world where everybody fucks each other (literally and figuratively
), who is gonna be anything noticeable in a few generations?
CunningCanuk
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Or, you could put the dump somewhere else.
Lots of land around this place. If they don’t like living near a dump they can easily relocate
Another well versed lesson in history by DIY, you sure you're not holding a PHD, I do think that there is some creedence in the relationship between climate and aggressiveness, ie. the colder the climate the meaner you are and caucasians come from the colder climates.ccguns