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ViRedd

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Mark Steyn: Enemy of the State?
The Steyn hearing proceeded with all the marsupial ungainliness of a kangaroo court.

By Rich Lowry

At its best, Western Civilization has fostered freedom of speech and of thought. But Canada has a better idea.

Last week, a Human Rights Tribunal in British Columbia considered a complaint brought against journalist Mark Steyn for a piece in the Canadian newsweekly Maclean’s. The excerpt from Steyn’s best-selling book America Alone argued that high Muslim birthrates mean Europeans will feel pressure to reach “an accommodation with their radicalized Islamic compatriots.”

The piece was obviously within respectable journalistic bounds. In fact, combining hilarity and profound social analysis, the article could be considered a sparkling model of the polemical art — not surprisingly, given that Steyn is one of North America’s journalistic gems.

The Canadian Islamic Congress took offense. In the normal course of things, that would mean speaking or writing to counter Steyn. Not in 21st-century Canada, where the old liberal rallying cry “I hate what you say, but will fight for your right to say it” no longer applies.

The country is dotted with human-rights commissions. At first, they typically heard discrimination suits against businesses. But since that didn’t create much work, the commissions branched out into policing “hate” speech. Initially, they targeted neo-Nazis; then religious figures for their condemnations of homosexuality; and now Maclean’s and Steyn.

The new rallying cry is, “If I hate what you say, I’ll accuse you of hate.” The Canadian Islamic Council got the Human Rights Tribunal in British Columbia and the national Canadian Human Rights Commission (where proceedings are still pending) to agree to hear its complaint. It had to like its odds.

The national commission has never found anyone innocent in 31 years. It is set up for classic Alice-in-Wonderland “verdict first, trial later” justice. Canada’s Human Rights Act defines hate speech as speech “likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.” The language is so capacious and vague that to be accused is tantamount to being found guilty.

Unlike in defamation law, truth is no defense, and there’s no obligation to prove harm. One of the principal investigators of the Canadian Human Rights Commission was asked in a hearing what value he puts on freedom of speech in his work, and replied, “Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don’t give it any value.” Clearly.

In British Columbia, the Steyn hearing proceeded with all the marsupial ungainliness of a kangaroo court. No one knew what the rules of evidence were. Hilariously, one of the chief complaints against Steyn was that he quoted a Muslim imam in Norway bragging that in Europe “the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes.” If that insect simile is out-of-bounds, the commission should swoop down on Norway and execute an extraordinary rendition of the imam.

The hearing has appropriately exposed the commissions to ridicule — and maybe some hatred and contempt (if that’s allowed). There are calls to strip them of their power to regulate the media. This would limit the damage, even as free speech is endangered elsewhere. In Europe, saying the wrong thing about gays or Muslims is routinely sanctioned by the state. In France, the bombshell-turned-animal-rights-activist Brigitte Bardot just collected her fifth fine, for complaining about how Muslims kill sheep.

Free speech is a very clean, neutral concept — “Congress shall make no law ...” Once a government begins policing offensiveness, things get much murkier. It has to decide which groups are protected and which aren’t — the “who/whom” of Lenin’s power relations. So, even though there are plenty of fire-breathing imams in Canada, no one ever pesters them about their hatefulness.

It is the genius of Muslim grievance groups to leverage Western anti-discrimination laws to their advantage. In his Maclean’s essay, Steyn noted how in much of the West, “the early 21st century’s principal political dynamic” is whether something offends Muslims. Indeed — but in Canada, truth is no defense.

— Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review.
 

undertheice

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the title of the above piece should have been "coming soon to a town near you". the nature of government, to expand control over the people, has led it to such witch trial tactics in order to divide the people it wishes to subdue. the concept of political correctness has left the realm of simple good manners and is being enacted into law. our politesse is being legislated for us at the expense of our freedom of speech and thought.

islam can hardly be blamed for taking advantage of the situation. they are in the midst of a world-wide crusade, similar to the crucifix bearing hordes of not so long ago. they are using guns and they are using swords and, instead of trinkets and disease ridden blankets, they are using our own laws. this crusade to supplant the christian dominance of western civilization is merely being helped along by the apathy which has let our governments run amok. the people of the free nations of the west are no longer free and are ripe for the picking.

after all, what is the difference between slavery to the state and slavery to the ideals of islam. the fascism of "socialist reform" is not so different than the fascism of religious zealotry. the will of the state is no more onerous than the will of allah. both claim that it is for the good of the people, both claim that the people must be forced to do what is best.
 

VTXDave

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after all, what is the difference between slavery to the state and slavery to the ideals of islam. the fascism of "socialist reform" is not so different than the fascism of religious zealotry. the will of the state is no more onerous than the will of allah. both claim that it is for the good of the people, both claim that the people must be forced to do what is best.
If it's wrapped in an American Flag...We'll embrace it.
 

Sprouts

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If it's wrapped in an American Flag...We'll embrace it.
A month ago I would have called you a cynic but recently I wrapped myself in the flag and everything it stood/stands for and have been embraced by others who believe in this great nation of ours. America is still the home of the brave though our freedoms dwindle and as long as we have those that are willing to stand against injustice we will remain a great nation for the world to look upon with pride and dare I say envy.
 

ViRedd

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I still hold out hope for America. I agree that the totalitarians are at the gate, even inside it, but I also believe that inside of every American is a rebel trying to get out.

Vi
 

Sprouts

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about the haters, some have good reasoning while others are just ignorant. for instance, a panel of 10 doctors hated me talking to them about medical marijuana so much that they put me in the nut house(my words, not theirs). their ignorance is what got me into the place, but there was good reasoning once I arrived because i indeed went absolutely nuts on them the first night after arriving :blsmoke:

I also pledge that if i become caged like an animal, jailed for some unjustified reason, I will act like an animal, stripping my clothes and shitting in the corner. i hesitate to say that i will start drinking from the commode but you get the picture. Pot growers with less than 5 plants should never be thrown in jail, weather it be their first offence or the 25th. you don't even need a tax stamp from the fed to grow less than 5 and it is a misterminer on the first and should be nothing more on the second or like i said the 25th. In fact i wish they would just leave us the fuck alone when it comes to less than 5 plants! guess that makes me a hater as well but with good reason.
</IMG>now i'm going to sign off of here and visit my brother in jail. i hope he keeps his clothes on this time lol
 
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