Can someone help diagnose my two unhealthy plants??

chelcito787

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This is my very first grow, I germinated a bunch of bag seeds, probably 20, because i didnt know how successful i would be at germination. All but about 5 germinated. I put 7 of the seeds into soil after 24-48 hours of germination, the soil I used was Nature's Care Organic Potting soil which IS a line from MG, but the ingredients sounded pretty promising. I know people don't recommend MG but Im really just experimenting since it is my first grow. Today marks 2 weeks since planting in soil, and they seem to be doing great, with a few small issues on 3, one had began to wilt but I put it closer to the fan, and poked holes in the soil, hoping it was just an overwatering issue, and that one seems to be perking back up already today, but the other two I'm not quite sure of, I'm thinking it may be because I have not put them in their bigger pots yet, or maybe a nutrient deficiency.

One pot does have two plants growing in it, which was a pure accident because I thought I hadn't put a seed into that pot yet, turns out I did, lol.. that plant is doing the best though, as weird as that may be. I have them in square pots, under about 8 CFL lights. I know CFL lights aren't always the greatest, but I have no way to see my electric bill since I pay my landlord, and he is the one who gets the utility bills, so Im trying to keep the electricity as normal as possible. I do have access to a HPS light, if needed.

I'm going to attach pictures of the two plants that I am not sure what the issue is. I bought Espoma organic vegetable and herb food in case its a nutrient deficiency, I also plan to put them in larger pots today, right now they are in biodegradable fiber pots. The food has a ratio of 3-4-4, but it also includes calcium, magnesium, and sulfur. I haven't used it yet, I'm hoping maybe I can get feedback on that before I do use it, I don't want to kill them, I want to bring them back to life. My Ph also showed to be in range. I tried a few things last night, I added a piece of a banana peel under the soil as well as an eggshell mixture I had previously made and used on my healthier plants, which seems to be working just fine. That is the only thing I have done to the plants, but in very small moderation because I'm not sure if they need nutrients at this age yet.
 

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phil k

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its just burn seedlings don't require food till a certain point.. just looks like you were feeding them too soon... pay more attention to your new growth it looks like they have gotten used to it.. but i would only be feeding 1/4 strength nutrient recommendation one time a week... every other time you should be feeding fresh clean water with zero nutrients..
 

chelcito787

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I actually haven't used any nutrients on them yet, other than the eggshells and banana peel but I used so little of them and I was told neither of them would hurt the plant. I bought some nutrients but haven't used them yet. But I did notice it was the lower leaves so I was wondering if the problem has already corrected its self. Could this also be because of the little pot still? The pot is biodegradable so the roots have began poking out of the sides of the pots. My other ones are doing good and the only difference between those and these two, is they're in bigger pots
 

mouse1818

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Not enough phosphorus maybe? Next time you plant use mycorrhizal fungus this stuff will make more nutrients available to your plants.
 

greasemonkeymann

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This is my very first grow, I germinated a bunch of bag seeds, probably 20, because i didnt know how successful i would be at germination. All but about 5 germinated. I put 7 of the seeds into soil after 24-48 hours of germination, the soil I used was Nature's Care Organic Potting soil which IS a line from MG, but the ingredients sounded pretty promising. I know people don't recommend MG but Im really just experimenting since it is my first grow. Today marks 2 weeks since planting in soil, and they seem to be doing great, with a few small issues on 3, one had began to wilt but I put it closer to the fan, and poked holes in the soil, hoping it was just an overwatering issue, and that one seems to be perking back up already today, but the other two I'm not quite sure of, I'm thinking it may be because I have not put them in their bigger pots yet, or maybe a nutrient deficiency.

One pot does have two plants growing in it, which was a pure accident because I thought I hadn't put a seed into that pot yet, turns out I did, lol.. that plant is doing the best though, as weird as that may be. I have them in square pots, under about 8 CFL lights. I know CFL lights aren't always the greatest, but I have no way to see my electric bill since I pay my landlord, and he is the one who gets the utility bills, so Im trying to keep the electricity as normal as possible. I do have access to a HPS light, if needed.

I'm going to attach pictures of the two plants that I am not sure what the issue is. I bought Espoma organic vegetable and herb food in case its a nutrient deficiency, I also plan to put them in larger pots today, right now they are in biodegradable fiber pots. The food has a ratio of 3-4-4, but it also includes calcium, magnesium, and sulfur. I haven't used it yet, I'm hoping maybe I can get feedback on that before I do use it, I don't want to kill them, I want to bring them back to life. My Ph also showed to be in range. I tried a few things last night, I added a piece of a banana peel under the soil as well as an eggshell mixture I had previously made and used on my healthier plants, which seems to be working just fine. That is the only thing I have done to the plants, but in very small moderation because I'm not sure if they need nutrients at this age yet.
probably too small of a pot, and I don't prefer those type of pots because they retain too much water, i'd bet money if you transplanted you'd be fine.
Don't feed them, though... you'll be sorry if you do.
Those biodegradable peat containers are better for vegetables.
it's not a def, no doubt.
 

greasemonkeymann

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wait a min... you did what now with a banana peel?
And whoever told you to do that....
DON'T listen to them anymore.
Get that peel out of the soil, like yesterday.
 

phil k

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wait a min... you did what now with a banana peel?
And whoever told you to do that....
DON'T listen to them anymore.
Get that peel out of the soil, like yesterday.
hahahah i know.. i read that and was like WTF.. banna peel ... hahaha.... i mean i guess over time it would be food.. plus contain some sugars and potassium ... but.. make compost..

anyway i just looked up the potting soil it carries a charge so your burn is more than likely from that.. it happens a lot when people use fox farms and shit that has a charge and they plant small plants or young roots into the soil sometimes it too hot initially but ver time your plant gets used to it.. use promix nextime.. but your good its your young leaves and your new growth looks good
 

phil k

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Not enough phosphorus maybe? Next time you plant use mycorrhizal fungus this stuff will make more nutrients available to your plants.
there is absolutely ZERO deficieny... explain why a plant that young would show deficiency in a soil that carries a charge? it hasn't even started to uptake phosphorus in amounts high enough to have deficiency yet.
 

chelcito787

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there is absolutely ZERO deficieny... explain why a plant that young would show deficiency in a soil that carries a charge? it hasn't even started to uptake phosphorus in amounts high enough to have deficiency yet.
I was thinking the same thing about the deficiency, I just wanted to be sure because I've read different things about when to start feeding them. Since I'm using a soil I haven't found much information about in forums, I was unsure. When do they normally start to require nutes?
 

mouse1818

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there is absolutely ZERO deficieny... explain why a plant that young would show deficiency in a soil that carries a charge? it hasn't even started to uptake phosphorus in amounts high enough to have deficiency yet.
I cant explain why a young plant would show deficiency in a soil that carries a charge. I wasn't saying it was a deficiency I was just trying to help him find the problem but now that is solved :)
 

chelcito787

Member
wait a min... you did what now with a banana peel?
And whoever told you to do that....
DON'T listen to them anymore.
Get that peel out of the soil, like yesterday.
Thanks for the advice, I didn't put very many at all and they're not deep in the soil, I just placed two small pieces on top and put some soil over it, just in case it did do damage, I'd be able to remove them. I read on a few different forums that they provide certain nutrients that wouldn't burn the plant even if it didnt need them, I guess like a slow release. But I'm going to take them out since I've gotten two posts that it's not a good idea lol
 

mouse1818

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I was thinking the same thing about the deficiency, I just wanted to be sure because I've read different things about when to start feeding them. Since I'm using a soil I haven't found much information about in forums, I was unsure. When do they normally start to require nutes?
I guess don't feed your plant until it looks like its hurting.
 

chelcito787

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hahahah i know.. i read that and was like WTF.. banna peel ... hahaha.... i mean i guess over time it would be food.. plus contain some sugars and potassium ... but.. make compost..

anyway i just looked up the potting soil it carries a charge so your burn is more than likely from that.. it happens a lot when people use fox farms and shit that has a charge and they plant small plants or young roots into the soil sometimes it too hot initially but ver time your plant gets used to it.. use promix nextime.. but your good its your young leaves and your new growth looks good
I don't know much about the soil, since it is my first time growing anything ever lol, but the ingredients seemed to contain a lot of things i've read on forums that the plants like. So is it a good soil, or should I change the soil? It was the best one I could find in my area but I know most MG products aren't recommended.
 

phil k

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I don't know much about the soil, since it is my first time growing anything ever lol, but the ingredients seemed to contain a lot of things i've read on forums that the plants like. So is it a good soil, or should I change the soil? It was the best one I could find in my area but I know most MG products aren't recommended.
not sure what MG is sorry... but using that soil is fine for like clones i mean its fine for seeds too but you can see the burn that occurred so its not the best.. if you can't get promix.. theres also light warrior from fox farms thats designed for seeds... sunshine mix 4 too... i mean like i said your fine the plants adjusted so no worries..
 
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