Buying new second light!!!!

Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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OK guys as the tittle suggest I'm buying a new light to expand my flower room! Right now I have a 5x5 with 1k hps cool tube 936cfm fan hooked to a big carbon scrubber! Also have a 12k btu ac to keep everything cool during the summer!

The Goal is to either replace the 5x5 tent with a 5x8 or lose the tents all together and really work the bedroom! New fake walls and some kinda flooring!

Im not a big fan of leds! But I can't decide between another hps or maybe a 315 lec! I do love the idea of the quantum boards and cobs bit the price is just still to high for me! I also am wondering is a double ended hps is the way to go! Either way I'm just looking for inputs and to see what's everyone's favorites as I know the lighting market changes everyday and there's always new and better stuff coming out!CM171128-173801003.jpg CM180207-234010001.jpg CM170922-121247003.jpg
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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Preliminary costs of LED pay back real quick, mate!
Replace 1000w HPS with 1000w LED and when you increase to 5x 8 in same time you can almost double your yield easily. 8 Quantumboard V2 and too HLG-480H-54A would max. out at ~1100w and ~1,5-1,8g/w are doable with this boards. Would be 600$ on boards and 350$ for drivers and they last at least 5-7 years.
I'm pretty sure you have your money back after the very first run with this boards...

For me that's not a question, the only question is .. when?
 
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NothinYet

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Strip lights work pretty Damn good. You can get better spread, and just as good of penetration as cobs or qbs. You can get rid of the hotspot in the center.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Greenthumbs256 said:
OK guys as the tittle suggest I'm buying a new light to expand my flower room! Right now I have a 5x5 with 1k hps cool tube 936cfm fan hooked to a big carbon scrubber! Also have a 12k btu ac to keep everything cool during the summer!

The Goal is to either replace the 5x5 tent with a 5x8 or lose the tents all together and really work the bedroom! New fake walls and some kinda flooring!

Im not a big fan of leds! But I can't decide between another hps or maybe a 315 lec! I do love the idea of the quantum boards and cobs bit the price is just still to high for me! I also am wondering is a double ended hps is the way to go! Either way I'm just looking for inputs and to see what's everyone's favorites as I know the lighting market changes everyday and there's always new and better stuff coming out!View attachment 4138023 View attachment 4138024 View attachment 4138025
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Work from the bedroom and get a DE hps. Please. Yea you can spend the money and out yield hps with leds and get more gpw as they say. However I absolutely guarantee you nothing beats the quality of hps indoors.
Iam 3/4 of the way done with a grow using the same said LEDs, and there is a noticeable difference in overall quality. Im terms of quality nothing is going to beat a DE.
Others may have different views, this is just what i am seeing so far. The said LED's are growing great bud, but not on the DE level for me.
 
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a mongo frog said:
Work from the bedroom and get a DE hps. Please. Yea you can spend the money and out yield hps with leds and get more gpw as they say. However I absolutely guarantee you nothing beats the quality of hps indoors.
Iam 3/4 of the way done with a grow using the same said LEDs, and there is a noticeable difference in overall quality. Im terms of quality nothing is going to beat a DE.
Others may have different views, this is just what i am seeing so far. The said LED's are growing great bud, but not on the DE level for me.
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There is also a learning curve to leds. Are you using qbs?
 
Randomblame

Randomblame

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For me exactly the opposite is the case! Buds are denser and no larf below the canopy.
Okay, a 20% strain under LED is maybe only 19%, while they are 21% below a DE. But that can easily be compensated or outweighed by a bit additional UVB.
And what do I care about 2% concentration in the end, if I get twice the amount of bud?
Better 4 pounds with "only" 19% than 2 pounds with 21%, right.. ?!
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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NothinYet said:
There is also a learning curve to leds. Are you using qbs?
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There is no learning curve to lighting in a garden sir. Yes QB, also 750 watts of cob, also 315, also DE hps, and also SE hps. Oh and also T-5 for trimming.
This is just what I see from LED so far in my garden. My wife says she thinks the LED garden is gaining some momentem in the latter stages. I told her bull shit, she said fuck off, now we are not talking. So so far LED is ruining my life.
 
diyled

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a mongo frog said:
My wife says she thinks the LED garden is gaining some momentem in the latter stages. I told her bull shit, she said fuck off, now we are not talking. So so far LED is ruining my life.
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Ahahahahaha.

But don't judge it till youve smoked it.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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diyled said:
Ahahahahaha.

But don't judge it till youve smoked it.
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And i still have roughly 28 days left, so I'm super hopeful. Trust me I want this to work out. It would be an absolute game changer in my life. But i cant want it so much that i turn a blind eye on this.
Just go to the Cup on the 2nd and we can talk all about it. Walk around look at shit and have a great time.
 
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a mongo frog said:
There is no learning curve to lighting in a garden sir. Yes QB, also 750 watts of cob, also 315, also DE hps, and also SE hps. Oh and also T-5 for trimming.
This is just what I see from LED so far in my garden. My wife says she thinks the LED garden is gaining some momentem in the latter stages. I told her bull shit, she said fuck off, now we are not talking. So so far LED is ruining my life.
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There is a huge learning curve. You can run them lower power and close to the canopy, or you can run them harder from higher. Finding the sweet spot for each strain is a learning process. Also under led the plants eat different nutrients faster and slower. Most plants end up needing more Cal mag than those grown under hid or cfl.

Also learning which spectrums to use is a learning process. I went with 3500k eb gen 2 strips for my first led light. I know it won't produce the big potent buds, I just wanted an all around good veg/ flower light.

For my next build(after a few grows) I'll be using the bridgelux vesta series. It has 2 channels on each strip, one 2700k 90 cri, and one 5000k 90cri. I have a 2.5 x 2.5ft tent. I am going to invest in 8 1ft strips. I'll be driving the 5k channels with an hlg-120h-c700b. An hlg-120h-c700b running the 2700k side. An hlg-120h-c700b (dimmed to 600mA max) running 10 1' eb gen 2 3500k 80cri.

I'll have 1 100k ohm pot dimming the 5000k vesta channels for a max of approximately 140w for veg.

I'll have 1 50k ohm pot dimming the 2700k vesta, and the 3500k gen 2. I'll wire an 7.5kohm resistor(or whatever resistance needed, depending on the actual resistance of the pot) to the gen 2-s driver dim leads to take it down to 600mA max. That will give me approximately 140w of 2700k 90 cri, and approximately 121w of 3500k 80 cri. All of this will be on 1" heatsink.

Running both spectrums at full power will give me around 3100k. Now some more learning curve for you. I won't need the full 260w of flower, so I can dim either 2700k 90 cri, or the 3500k 80 cri. Once the dimming starts the spectral output of the Leds start to change, not by a whole lot though. I could dim the 3500k leds and the overall spectrum will start to dip towards 3000k.

How many different spectrums have you tried?
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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NothinYet said:
There is a huge learning curve. You can run them lower power and close to the canopy, or you can run them harder from higher. Finding the sweet spot for each strain is a learning process. Also under led the plants eat different nutrients faster and slower. Most plants end up needing more Cal mag than those grown under hid or cfl.

Also learning which spectrums to use is a learning process. I went with 3500k eb gen 2 strips for my first led light. I know it won't produce the big potent buds, I just wanted an all around good veg/ flower light.

For my next build(after a few grows) I'll be using the bridgelux vesta series. It has 2 channels on each strip, one 2700k 90 cri, and one 5000k 90cri. I have a 2.5 x 2.5ft tent. I am going to invest in 8 1ft strips. I'll be driving the 5k channels with an hlg-120h-c700b. An hlg-120h-c700b running the 2700k side. An hlg-120h-c700b (dimmed to 600mA max) running 10 1' eb gen 2 3500k 80cri.

I'll have 1 100k ohm pot dimming the 5000k vesta channels for a max of approximately 140w for veg.

I'll have 1 50k ohm pot dimming the 2700k vesta, and the 3500k gen 2. I'll wire an 7.5kohm resistor(or whatever resistance needed, depending on the actual resistance of the pot) to the gen 2-s driver dim leads to take it down to 600mA max. That will give me approximately 140w of 2700k 90 cri, and approximately 121w of 3500k 80 cri. All of this will be on 1" heatsink.

Running both spectrums at full power will give me around 3100k. Now some more learning curve for you. I won't need the full 260w of flower, so I can dim either 2700k 90 cri, or the 3500k 80 cri. Once the dimming starts the spectral output of the Leds start to change, not by a whole lot though. I could dim the 3500k leds and the overall spectrum will start to dip towards 3000k.

How many different spectrums have you tried?
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I have to run. ill be back though so you can further trash me.
 
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a mongo frog said:
I have to run. ill be back though so you can further trash me.
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I am not trashing you at all. I was showing you various options on some leds. Just like any new product you try there is a learning curve.

I meant how many led spectrums have you tried? My bad on the translation. It just seemed like you tried maybe a couple and called it quits. No offense towards you. I know nothing about you. Just asking.
 
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