Busteed. Well, almost. :D

Well, greetings in the midst of thursday.
Yesterday we had a problem or at least it spawned a problem to think about. We were watching Up in smoke, took a pause and went to kitchen to have a smoke and start preparing dinner which was pasta with cheese and chopped sausages, when I saw a cop van outside in the street riding slowly past the house (it's a five-story building) and stopping next door. I thought, shit, this is it and started (unwillingly) to take the leaves, which were being prepared for baking cakes, and throwing them in the toilet. And it took two flushes just to get that thing down. Then I looked at my buds and figured that there's no way to get them no matter how much water I pour inside. Not to mention the cops would get inside in a couple of minutes - won't work in either case.

Lucky for us, they went away.. but that did leave us with something to think about and as underneath me lives a lady whose grandson is the head of local police station, we chose not to watch the rest of the flick. After I realised that couple of my buds fell off in the leaves (they were underneath the hanging harvest) and got flushed in the toilet, I was sad but it got me to think about the measures to take in order to not get busted.
I have nitric and ortophosphoric acid for pH correction and thought that maybe something like that could be ussed to oxidize the thc and other cannabinoids in order to evade conviction in the case of a bust.

Well, this is mostly a cry for help to all chemists and enthusiasts in the field. I have a mate who's reaching for bachelor's in chemistry but he's busy atm, so..

Cheers and give me your thoughts))

I am no chemist but it seems to me that your idea wouldn't work. I don't believe that any chemicals will completely do what you're suggesting in the few seconds or minutes you are talking about, at least not without totally destroying the weed (think acid). So, whatever is left, if identifiable as weed and has even some cannibinoid in it, you're still screwed.

tet1953 said:

I am no chemist but it seems to me that your idea wouldn't work. I don't believe that any chemicals will completely do what you're suggesting in the few seconds or minutes you are talking about, at least not without totally destroying the weed (think acid). So, whatever is left, if identifiable as weed and has even some cannibinoid in it, you're still screwed.

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Well, if it's an acid it doesn't really matter if it does it in five or 20 minutes because acids (for the most part) are corrosive and that means that no cop is gona try to 'wash it down' or try to present that as evidence because that just as good might be hemp with little to no amount of psychoactive compounds. And that's the main point - totally destroying the weed because of a bust.

Um, so you saw a police van and freaked out? Paranoid much? Heaven help you should a helicopter start hovering.

Yeah, and it would have to be pretty strong stuff. My point was that I don't think your idea of simply washing out the cannibinoids with softer chemicals would work.

tip top toker said:

Um, so you saw a police van and freaked out? Paranoid much? Heaven help you should a helicopter start hovering.

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We don't have helicopters here for those purposes. But I've seen how cops work here and they pretty much always 'take a look' and afterwards come visiting.

tet, what is 'strong stuff' in your opinion? :O

Heh..like I said, I'm no chemist. Stuff that works that fast? idk but I don't think I'd want it around.

Well, let's hope there IS a chemist somewhere around here. ^^

alfreeds said:

We don't have helicopters here for those purposes. But I've seen how cops work here and they pretty much always 'take a look' and afterwards come visiting.

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And how does that enable them to obtain a warrant exactly?

this is a classic case of paranoia. you seen a van and dumped your leafage and some buds.. i would have been way too embarrased to even post this.

especially since its most likely an apartment building and they could have been there for any reason at all. and i thought i was paranoid.

tiptop, busts more or less are illegal, that is they don't have warrants and cops just take most part of the stash, give in to gypsies who in turn sell them and give most part of their profits to the corrupted cops. The growers themselves get blackmailed or get a fine/parole for the small amount that was left behind. OF course some kind of a story is being told as the reason for the bust and it's not unusual for the evidence to 'not be there' or pop up after the bust. Either way, this is an educated paranoia and i'm not ashamed of anything. I'd rather dump the stash than get harrased and be 'watched over' by post-communist trash cops that became officers to exercise their power with no regard to law in the first place.

Rzza, your actions (judging a person by a handful of information) really speak for you. Mind you go write your trash somewhere else?

your title makes no sense because you werent almost busted or even close

You could completely denature the THC and other cannabinoids and you would still be charged. Keep in mind that it is illegal to grow hemp with 0% THC. In fact by tampering with the plant in order to evade prosecution they could most likely charge you with tampering with evidence or manufacturing a refined product (they don’t test pot for potency in court and would most likely see chemicals + pot which = refining in most cops eyes).

My recommendation is grow legally or get a 5hp stainless steel garbage disposal.

Lye (which is getting harder and harder to find) is a 14 on the pH scale (extreme base). Bases generally degrade material faster than equivalent acids. Lye will denature all the chemicals but will not immediately break down the plant material. Same goes for bleach which I believe is a 12 on the pH scale. Only chemical that would quickly destroy all the materials are superacids with a pH of -12. Trifluoromethanesulfonic acid and Fluorosulfuric acid are two of these (they are both 1000x the strength of sulfuric acid). If you get a single dab on you it requires amputation or death as you cannot wash it off and it denatures proteins so fast that it can kill you. I would NOT suggest having this anywhere out of a lab setting and highly doubt you could purchase some.

Gastanker, you've been very helpful. Thank you!))

Btw, what is this?: "5hp stainless steel garbage disposal"

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tiptop, busts more or less are illegal, that is they don't have warrants and cops just take most part of the stash, give in to gypsies who in turn sell them and give most part of their profits to the corrupted cops. The growers themselves get blackmailed or get a fine/parole for the small amount that was left behind. OF course some kind of a story is being told as the reason for the bust and it's not unusual for the evidence to 'not be there' or pop up after the bust. Either way, this is an educated paranoia and i'm not ashamed of anything. I'd rather dump the stash than get harrased and be 'watched over' by post-communist trash cops that became officers to exercise their power with no regard to law in the first place.

Rzza, your actions (judging a person by a handful of information) really speak for you. Mind you go write your trash somewhere else?

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How are they taking your stash if they don't have a warrant to search or enter your house? Are you saying you'd just let the cops in if they knocked on your door?

Maybe if you could get your hands on the acid that the cops use...

[video=youtube;RwPkAUBr4Sc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPkAUBr4Sc[/video]

alfreeds said:

Gastanker, you've been very helpful. Thank you!))

Btw, what is this?: "5hp stainless steel garbage disposal"

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5 Horse Power stainless steel garbage disposal... Chops up food in sink... Hope that halps.

Btw, what is this?: "5hp stainless steel garbage disposal"

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Garbage disposal is what goes under your sink to grind up all your left over food. Typically these are ~1.2 horse power. For $150 you can get a five horse power one with all stainless interior. This will chop up most all vegetative matter with no problem (i use them for liquidating olives pit and all for olive oil making).

And police can enter your house without a warrant if they see anything unusual (in plain sight law). If they can look around your blinds and see growing equiptment and a joint they can enter. So just make sure there is nothing in sight if they knock on the door.

alfreeds said:

Rzza, your actions (judging a person by a handful of information) really speak for you. Mind you go write your trash somewhere else?

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the post has two likes and i recieved a rep from it. you are in a public forum you should expect to get opinions of all types when you post. i didnt judge you i judged your actions and the situation.