Bloom boosters: BS or Necessity?

Moabfighter said:

So the plant has no more nutrients in it and will “die off” ala that fall look the leaves have you see what I mean? That’s where you bring a lot of the colors out at the end.


Also, I’ve never grown any mids.

Edit and the flush, to me, helps make the smoke much smoother on the lungs.

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Bro science unfortunately. Curing is how your smoke becomes smooth.

Here a link with science instead of opinions

jondamon said:

Bro science unfortunately. Curing is how your smoke becomes smooth.

Cannabis Flushing Research Study

In our research study, RX Green Technologies evaluated the effects of different flushing times on chemical profile, flavor, and smoke of cannabis flower.

www.rxgreentechnologies.com

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Yep this one is ethos purple sunset. It really showed of its purple well before the flush. Such a good one I decided to run it again and it’s doing well.

xtsho said:

You don't need to starve your plants to get colors. True colored plants will do it on their own and have healthy leaves until the end.

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some people cut the nutes - esp. N - short to reduce the amount of nitrit inside the plants tissue & artificially provoke senescence, ie. hasten up the flowering process. And even accept loss of harvest - weight mostly, trichome counts stays somewhat equal. The smoke is also smoother, less harsh and more subtle because the background taste isn't supressed in as much....

But the plants with the normal green leaves are always the most strong & healthy ones, and I have the suspicion that alot of the crazy leaf-colors or discoloration I see sometimes is because of heavy overfeeding or nutrition mismatch.

Your plants look fantastic and very natural, what is the first one? It has these funny pine-shaped buds, a good leaf-to-bud ration and looks quite resinous, isn't it?

Moabfighter said:

Yep this one is ethos purple sunset. It really showed of its purple well before the flush. Such a good one I decided to run it again and it’s doing well.

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Curing is 50% of your entire grow outcome. maybe more

Speaking of opinions vs science. Does flushing make that big of a difference? Im an old school grower outdoors. Indoors and hydroponic is new to me. But have been growing since 1986. You young men and women have advanced this hobby so much. And ive always wondered about flushing

Phat J said:

Here a link with science instead of opinions

StackPath

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Key sections in that article:

Moderating P Applications. Phosphorous fertilization strategies have been studied extensively over the past five years. One of our graduate students, Josh Henry, worked on optimizing P fertilization rates for his master’s degree thesis. In essence, plants require a baseline level of P to grow adequately (Fig. 1). For a continuous fertilization program for plants grown in a soilless substrate, the target concentration is between 8 ppm and 15 ppm of P. Providing levels below that will result in less plant growth, while concentrations above that level provide little benefit while costing more money. Phosphorus is also the primary contributor to plant stretch. Too much P will lead to excessive internode elongation and tall plants. That’s why it’s important to limit excessive P applications.


Ratio of K to Ca to Mg. Providing the proper balance of K to Ca to Mg is important for greenhouse production of cannabis. Too much of one element does not in itself result in toxicity symptoms. Instead, excessive levels of one element has an antagonism against the others. For instance, excessive K will result in either a Ca deficiency or an Mg deficiency being observed in a plant. Many instances of Mg deficiency observed in cannabis may be due to excessive K being supplied and not due to the lack of available Mg to the plant.

Phat J said:

Here a link with science instead of opinions

StackPath

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thx for the links, the second link was well worth it (PK causing a likelihood increase to attract mold bc Ca is needed for cellwalls) but the first one resulted in a 404 error.

Kassiopeija said:

some people cut the nutes - esp. N - short to reduce the amount of nitrit inside the plants tissue & artificially provoke senescence, ie. hasten up the flowering process. And even accept loss of harvest - weight mostly, trichome counts stays somewhat equal. The smoke is also smoother, less harsh and more subtle because the background taste isn't supressed in as much....

But the plants with the normal green leaves are always the most strong & healthy ones, and I have the suspicion that alot of the crazy leaf-colors or discoloration I see sometimes is because of heavy overfeeding or nutrition mismatch.

Your plants look fantastic and very natural, what is the first one? It has these funny pine-shaped buds, a good leaf-to-bud ration and looks quite resinous, isn't it?

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The red one? It's a Pakistani Chitral Kush + Durban cross I made. The buds look that way because they've been pollinated. It was a seed plant. It's a little dark but I like to feed seed plants more than flower plants.

RonnieB2 said:

Speaking of opinions vs science. Does flushing make that big of a difference? Im an old school grower outdoors. Indoors and hydroponic is new to me. But have been growing since 1986. You young men and women have advanced this hobby so much. And ive always wondered about flushing

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well if the plant doesn't need any more nutrition, that is, it's stopped growing taller & bulking up, and from now on will only age/get older/ripen. then you can give only water and save yourself some resources.... or when your in soil and there still is some nutrition in it which is going to last to the end, then you can give water but there's still a (declining) EC in the pot for several weeks. it's not so much about getting anything out of the plant, instead, the plant simply doesn't need that much anymore when it's metabolism is throttled down before dying.
the term flushing is also applied to 2 separate entities.

Kassiopeija said:

well if the plant doesn't need any more nutrition, that is, it's stopped growing taller & bulking up, and from now on will only age/get older/ripen. then you can give only water and save yourself some resources.... or when your in soil and there still is some nutrition in it which is going to last to the end, then you can give water but there's still a (declining) EC in the pot for several weeks. it's not so much about getting anything out of the plant, instead, the plant simply doesn't need that much anymore when it's metabolism is throttled down before dying.
the term flushing is also applied to 2 separate entities.

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Ahhhhhh, that makes a ton of sense. I was thinking along the lines of taste. Etc

xtsho said:

The red one?

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hmmm I'm not sure if I can make out any red there at all but I'm also partly colorblind, any way the first picture, green & white.

Kassiopeija said:

hmmm I'm not sure if I can make out any red there at all but I'm also partly colorblind, any way the first picture, green & white.

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Ahh the other post with the beer bottle. That was some White Russian up front.

Kassiopeija said:

thx for the links, the second link was well worth it (PK causing a likelihood increase to attract mold bc Ca is needed for cellwalls) but the first one resulted in a 404 error.

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I reposted the link. Works now. Explains the Lucas formula but it also explains the 1-1-2 ppm ratio. Remember it's the ppm ratio of npk not what it says on the bag

RonnieB2 said:

Ahhhhhh, that makes a ton of sense. I was thinking along the lines of taste. Etc

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yes, there are many that claim the smoke is better and I see no reason to disbelieve their experiences. I also think that the plant can sense or "feel" the declining electrolyte concentration in the water and begin to hurry up a little. it works the other way round too, these hopelessly overfed flowering plants occasionally don't want to finish but throw out the fancy shaped sugarleaves and stack calyxes and just keep building new and anew... sure, why shouldn't it if the food (water, nute + light) is there... let the winter do the killing

Moabfighter said:

Yep this one is ethos purple sunset. It really showed of its purple well before the flush. Such a good one I decided to run it again and it’s doing well.

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How’s you’re taste and smell because back in May you were having issues with the “cure” and losing taste and smell.

I’ve actually gone back to that thread and posted some info for you about a) growing a healthy plant to harvest b) about how early you were jarring your bud.

Here is more info against flushing.

I like bloom boosters, but I grow in coco or other hydro, never really messed with dirt more than a few runs. I don't feed the full recommended dose, but I never do that with any fertilizers.

To call that's guys flowers and plants mids is just rediculous. Especially when you couldn't provide any pictures to the contrary.

I'm not gonna argue about flushing, but I do it and I like to fade my plants out just like his. I've done both over the years and prefer well flushed buds. Just cause science can't figure out the difference yet doesn't mean there isn't one.

As far a cure being 50% of harvesting quality that's bull shit too. Yes a bad drying and curing process can ruin good bud, but if you can't grow well curing it for a year not gonna make it better.

xtsho said:

Ahh the other post with the beer bottle. That was some White Russian up front.

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lol no not this one .... the other one I quoted (the "FIRST")... it has the filename "panamapck.jpg"... hmm lol I just realized I now have the answer - thanks XD