Blackberry gum auto, unique stipules

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VincenzioVonHook

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Beginning of week five for a blackberry gum auto. It's the one on the left here, beside a GDP Auto. All photos are five mins after lights on so they haven't started praying yet.
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The blackberry gum is showing some interesting traits as goes into flower. It's not stacking pistils yet, but ever since it started pre flowering a week ago, the leaf tips are "twirling" and the stipules are increasing in length dramatically, and purpling. It's a very interesting formation.
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You can see the length of the stipules in the closeups here. Has anyone had a strain with similar traits? How did it turn out of so? I have never seen Such uniform twirling of leaves.
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twentyeight.threefive said:
Overall the plant don't look healthy. Looking very pale. Might be the lights, so pictures with the grow lights off would help. Along with more information about your grow.
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Not really phased about its health tbh, it seems fine and put on more than an inch overnight. It's feeding fine, everything is in check and it looks better once it springs to life after an hour or so of lights on. The lights make it look pale in general due to the high amount of green and yellow from the LM301b diodes, but the post wasn't really about issues, more about interesting genetic traits considering my mate is growing a few, and they are all exactly the same colour, the same large stipules and have the same uniform leaf twirling come pre flower.
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If this looks unhealthy, I'd make sweet fuck to any plant you create fine sir.

interested to see if anyone has had any strains that had stipules that doubled in length when preflowering, or strains that had uniform leaf twirling start around pre flower. Would also be nice to theorise what these were bred from as the site didn't list breeder, so I was hoping to find someone had the same traits previously and could put a strain to the trait.
 
VincenzioVonHook said:
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If this looks unhealthy, I'd make sweet fuck to any plant you create fine sir.
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Other clones are doing it or just other seeds of the same strain? I had one plant start to twist like that and it was the beginning of flower too.

Yes they do look unhealthy, but like I said it could be the lighting. Normal light pics would help.
 
What's impressive to watch in real time is the twirling. Come an hour before lights off, it starts to slump, and the leaf corkscrew intensifies. Within an hour of the lights coming on, they start to lift again, and the twirling stays, but to a lesser extent.

You can watch the leaves un-corkscrew. It reminds you that your watching something alive.
 
twentyeight.threefive said:
Other clones are doing it or just other seeds of the same strain? I had one plant start to twist like that and it was the beginning of flower too.

Yes they do look unhealthy, but like I said it could be the lighting. Normal light pics would help.
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No need to post normal pics, as I'm not trying to fix anything. I'm not too phased if it doesn't meet others standards genetically or circumstantially due to environment or incorrect colour balance. If it shows any form of slow growth or a single blemish, I might care and do something.

Mate has seven from seed now (three Original seeds and four from selective reversal from last season), and has gone through two previous cycles at 8 each run, and they all have/had the exact same traits and appearance. They all pulled between 7-9oz per plant at harvest, so we are more than happy with them, but they seem a lot more sensitive to light cycle/stress, have a lot of curly leaf to trim at harvest and never green up like the GDP and Watermelon Zkittlez usually ran.

We have no idea what they actually are apart from "blackberry gum auto", and would love to see if anyone has had a strain with the same traits considering it's been continual over a few cycles, and a new generation of seeds via selective reversal.
 
twentyeight.threefive said:
Is it always happening at the start of flower? Did you start bloom nutrients recently?
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Yep, it always happens during pre flower. The first few sets of leaves are relatively stout and have wider fingers, and then as soon as pre flower starts the leaves come out very thin bladed and start growing completely differently, all fluffy, curly and corkscrewy.

They almost look like an indica with the first few set of leaves, and then when pre flower kicks in, the stipules triple in length and the new leaves come out skinny and transparent. Once the leaves mature over a week or so, the twirl goes away. The new growth is almost like hair. Most people think it's stacking extremely long pistils until they notice they are only in Pre flower and they are leaves.

This is the first blackberry gum auto I've grown myself, but I've watched two cycles pretty closely. I'm using 4-1-4-1 all the way through out of laziness, with Cannazym twice a week (0-1-1-0) and might use a flower booster (cannaboost) once a week during flower if I'm adventurous, so there hasn't been any nutrient change over the last week or so (bar gradually upping ppm, it's now going in at 1000ppm, running out at 800ppm steady each time. I've watched a few grow (one run was straight Coco/perlite and one was organic soil) and they both ended up doing the same thing come pre flower.
 
VincenzioVonHook said:
Yep, it always happens during pre flower. The first few sets of leaves are relatively stout and have wider fingers, and then as soon as pre flower starts the leaves come out very thin bladed and start growing completely differently, all fluffy, curly and corkscrewy.

They almost look like an indica with the first few set of leaves, and then when pre flower kicks in, the stipules triple in length and the new leaves come out skinny and transparent. Once the leaves mature over a week or so, the twirl goes away. The new growth is almost like hair. Most people think it's stacking extremely long pistils until they notice they are only in Pre flower and they are leaves.

This is the first blackberry gum auto I've grown myself, but I've watched two cycles pretty closely. I'm using 4-1-4-1 all the way through out of laziness, with Cannazym twice a week (0-1-1-0) and might use a flower booster (cannaboost) once a week during flower if I'm adventurous, so there hasn't been any nutrient change over the last week or so (bar gradually upping ppm, it's now going in at 1000ppm, running out at 800ppm steady each time. I've watched a few grow (one run was straight Coco/perlite and one was organic soil) and they both ended up doing the same thing come pre flower.
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I'd chalk it up to how that strain flowers. Calyx are formed by twisting sepal leaves. Perhaps the plant is extending that trait to some of the leaves.

This BCN Critical XXL autoflower had similar formation.

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Here's some lights off pics if ur keen, as its kinda in the sticky anyways lol. Just interesting to see a formation that is stacking so many leaves with next to no pistils.
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To me, it's either a pH issue, causing and uptake problem, or a straight up iron deficiency going on, and they definitely could use some mag in their diet!
 
piratebug said:
To me, it's either a pH issue, causing and uptake problem, or a straight up iron deficiency going on, and they definitely could use some mag in their diet!
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I'll worry about deficiencies if it looks any different to the 16 or 20 I've seen grow. Im pretty lax with my plants. Until there's any type of discolouration, or the growth slows, I'm not too phased. Last plant pulled 7 ounces of primo and was never perfect.

It's medium pH is 6.3, the water goes in at 6.5 1000ppm and comes out 700-800ppm the next day so there's no uptake problem. It's growing an inch a day so I'm happy enough. It's just for fun anyways. The base water here is pretty high in calcium and magnesium according to the local testing. It's at around 220ppm, and the medium is pre-buffered with cal mag. I add 1.25ml/l of Pro Cal 2-0-0 with every feed as well.

All up 1000ppm, 4-1-4-1 650ppm, 2-0-0 Pro Cal at 100ppm, tap water is around 200-250ppm. Feeds with Cannazym are around 1100ppm.
 
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bk78 said:
The twisting of the leaves probably has something to do with how droopy and sad they look.

Only time I ever get twisty leaves is when my mediums ph is out of whack
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The Oracle has spoken..

It's already been stated that there's no problem with the medium ph, or feed, and that 20 plants have already grown over the last year with the exact same traits, in differing mediums..

I thought that a straight up giga Chad god could read?
 
Those leaves should be praying to the light during the whole light on time, not droopy and sloppy looking.
 
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