Billionaires and Bandits

Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
You have to resort to lying now? The average American hasn't gotten a raise since there mid 1970s and there's an avalanche of data that proves it.

You have to lie to make your points; it's what Republicans do.
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Your claim that the middle class is making less now than before has been shattered.

Fact.

Thanks for agreeing.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
NPR is a corporatist shill, now advocating for illegal regime change in Venezuela. They really went downhill when they were forced to start taking corporate funding. Thanks, Republicans!
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NPR is reporting the news that most Latin American nations do not recognize the legitimacy of the recent election that put Maduro in office. Such as: a short-changed election cycle with only six weeks to campaign, followed by disallowing the major opposition parties from even running. Also -- and you should at least recognize this -- voters who were even thought to support the opposition were thrown off the voting rolls. If you don't like NPR, how about the NY Times?

Venezuela Election Won by Maduro Amid Widespread Disillusionment
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/world/americas/venezuela-election.html

Mr. Maduro sought to give himself every advantage in Sunday’s vote.

The electoral authorities banned the largest opposition political parties from taking part in the election, and key politicians were barred from running. Brutal repression of anti-government protests, and the arrests of many activists and leaders also weakened the opposition.

Electoral authorities also moved up the election to May, although it is traditionally held in December, allowing little time for the opposition to organize and campaign. They even eliminated the requirement that voters dip a finger in indelible ink, which is used to keep people from voting more than once.

At the Red Spot, voters presented the special identity card used to receive the food boxes and other services and gave their names to workers who were keeping lists of those who had voted. Workers at the Red Spots said that there was no effort to pressure voters or link a pro-Maduro vote to future food deliveries.

Mr. Falcón accused the government of violating campaign rules through the use of these Red Spots.

A woman waiting outside a polling station in a Caracas slum, La Vega, said she worked for a government agency and feared losing her job if she did not vote and report afterward at the Red Spot. The woman, who would not give her name out of fear of reprisals, also said that she felt compelled to vote for Mr. Maduro, even though she did not support him, because she was sure that government computers tracked people’s votes — a common notion here.

In January, Maduro ordered troops to suppress protests and over the month at least 40 people have been killed Maduro has ordered his troops to stop shipment of humanitarian aid into the country even though hospitals are without life saving medicine and there is a famine due to food shortages.

A stolen election, violent suppression of protests over food shortages, preventing food aid from entering the country. All the trapping of a repressive military dictator. What is wrong with you that you support people like this?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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YouGrowYourWay said:
It's just not that deep to me and we never had it...the rich have always owned it...I just feel personally you could be spending your time a lot more wisely but it's your time do with it as you please
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Keeping track of current events and participating by voting is not worth my time?

The rich hate it when people are well informed and vote. I think I'll do what they don't want me to do. You can heel next to them and follow their orders if you like.

 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Fogdog said:
NPR is reporting the news that most Latin American nations do not recognize the legitimacy of the recent election that put Maduro in office. Such as: a short-changed election cycle with only six weeks to campaign, followed by disallowing the major opposition parties from even running. Also -- and you should at least recognize this -- voters who were even thought to support the opposition were thrown off the voting rolls. If you don't like NPR, how about the NY Times?

Venezuela Election Won by Maduro Amid Widespread Disillusionment
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/20/world/americas/venezuela-election.html

Mr. Maduro sought to give himself every advantage in Sunday’s vote.

The electoral authorities banned the largest opposition political parties from taking part in the election, and key politicians were barred from running. Brutal repression of anti-government protests, and the arrests of many activists and leaders also weakened the opposition.

Electoral authorities also moved up the election to May, although it is traditionally held in December, allowing little time for the opposition to organize and campaign. They even eliminated the requirement that voters dip a finger in indelible ink, which is used to keep people from voting more than once.

At the Red Spot, voters presented the special identity card used to receive the food boxes and other services and gave their names to workers who were keeping lists of those who had voted. Workers at the Red Spots said that there was no effort to pressure voters or link a pro-Maduro vote to future food deliveries.

Mr. Falcón accused the government of violating campaign rules through the use of these Red Spots.

A woman waiting outside a polling station in a Caracas slum, La Vega, said she worked for a government agency and feared losing her job if she did not vote and report afterward at the Red Spot. The woman, who would not give her name out of fear of reprisals, also said that she felt compelled to vote for Mr. Maduro, even though she did not support him, because she was sure that government computers tracked people’s votes — a common notion here.

In January, Maduro ordered troops to suppress protests and over the month at least 40 people have been killed Maduro has ordered his troops to stop shipment of humanitarian aid into the country even though hospitals are without life saving medicine and there is a famine due to food shortages.

A stolen election, violent suppression of protests over food shortages, preventing food aid from entering the country. All the trapping of a repressive military dictator. What is wrong with you that you support people like this?
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Why don't they listen to @ttystikk ? HE KEEPS TELLING THEM!
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Unclebaldrick said:
Why don't they laiten to @ttystikk ? HE KEEPS TELLING THEM!
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Yeah, when inflation runs above a thousand percent. When one loses their kid to starvation because the economy is collapsing. When goons show up and haul away your neighbor because they said bad things about the president. The first thing one should do is re-elect him. THE GREAT TTY HAS SPOKEN!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
Right.

Because of course taxing billionaires is against your 'moderate' principles, right?

How about supporting foreign interventionism?

Face it. You're a Republican.
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It's good that you seem opposed to foreign interventionism, so why aren't you opposed to domestic interventionism ?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
here is the summary statement on NPR in terms of bias and factual reporting


LEFT-CENTER BIAS
These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes. These sources are generally trustworthy for information, but may require further investigation. See all Left-Center sources.

  • Overall, we rate NPR (National Public Radio) Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans slightly left and Very High for factual reporting due to thorough sourcing and very accurate news reporting.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/#prettyPhoto

Repeat, Very High for factual reporting.

Compare that with the sites you usually cite and you'll see that you're diet in left biased reporting is too high for your health. You need to cut down on your factually unreliable left biased crap sites.
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Factual does not mean a lack of bias or censorship.

But how would you know? You're a lost lil republican.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Factual does not mean a lack of bias or censorship.

But how would you know? You're a lost lil republican.
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Have you gone blind?

The chart I posted and you copied shows NPR as a left of center biased media site. The text says it is highly factual in content. The two together are "left of center biased with highly factual reporting."

You said it was a corporate shill. Wouldn't that make it right of center, if it was a shill for corporations? If it were just shilling, wouldn't the content be at least less factual in its content?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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@ttystikk

I've posted several times from several sources that report Madura is not a validly elected president and why they say this is so. You don't like the sources. OK. So, please post an article from the most reliable source you know of that says the elections in Venezuela were free, fair and valid.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Huh? This proves what about middle class wages?

That's a graph of minimum wages, not median or middle class wages.

LOL, are you so disconnected from reality that you think the middle class makes minimum wage? Are you some modern day Don Quixote? Go charge those windmills then.
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https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2019/02/04/light-vehicle-sales-per-capita-our-latest-look-at-the-long-term-trend

Light vehicle sales per capita are down by over 29% since 1986.

This is just one of many data sets confirming the fact that the middle class is not what it once was.

You secretly voted for Trump, didn't you? Admit it, you'll feel better.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2019/02/04/light-vehicle-sales-per-capita-our-latest-look-at-the-long-term-trend

Light vehicle sales per capita are down by over 29% since 1986.

This is just one of many data sets confirming the fact that the middle class is not what it once was.

You secretly voted for Trump, didn't you? Admit it, you'll feel better.
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wow that's a reach

Totally much better than median income adjusted for inflation over the past 50 odd years that show incomes are about the same. Not

Isn't median income what we are talking about when we are discussing middle class income? Adjusted for inflation, the median wage hasn't changed much. That's what we are talking about isn't it? Just give up and admit you are wrong when you said that median income adjusted for inflation has declined. Because it hasn't. You would be right if you said the lower 30% in incomes have lost ground. That's true.

The Wealthiest 10% and especially the top 1% have taken all the productivity gains for themselves. The middle class has stagnated. The poor have lost ground This has created a wealth gap. The wealthiest have more money, more resources and more influence than they did 50 years ago. The political system has skewed their way -- this is the most important result. Isn't that what Robert Reich is saying? That's true. Not what you are flailing about trying to prove.
 
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