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OregonTrails said:

Okay, I have a really dumb, basic question.

Marijuana a weed, right? I mean it's not some delicate GMO invention that must be handled with precision or it dies, right? So what is the benefit of nutes? If it is grown in a good, GOOD soil, isn't that just as good? What do nutes add? I mean it is grown in South American jungles! My prize butternut squash do great with average good soil. What's so special about MJ and nutes?

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the best NUTES in the world are found in the soil of South American Jungles.

There are thousands of strains of this weed some grow well with little to no assistance, others need a lot of TLC and know how.

start using the search function on this site, and spend the next few months reading. Good luck!

The question you should be asking is why not grow in soiless mix with just water as apose to adding nutrients. Try it and you will find out lol.

OregonTrails said:

Okay, I have a really dumb, basic question.

Marijuana a weed, right? I mean it's not some delicate GMO invention that must be handled with precision or it dies, right? So what is the benefit of nutes? If it is grown in a good, GOOD soil, isn't that just as good? What do nutes add? I mean it is grown in South American jungles! My prize butternut squash do great with average good soil. What's so special about MJ and nutes?

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Well, in a way you are right..

Modern MJ in my opinion has hybridized and crossed so many times with very little attention given to the hearty nature of a landrace. And I agree with you, the way some people treat MJ grows is hilarious.. couple of plants treated like newborn children..

Anyways the OP was asking the best nutes in a hydroponic mix. I have a few plants in soil and I dont use salt based stuff or anything out of a bottle, I try to use natural inputs. I have to cheat a bit, I couldn't find any bat caves near by.

They do sell organic bat guano at the "hydro" stores

but im sure you know that lol

Cold$moke said:

They do sell organic bat guano at the "hydro" stores

but im sure you know that lol

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That shit is too expensive ..

Alaska Mill and feed.. thats where I get my shit.

GrowerGoneWild said:

Anyways the OP was asking the best nutes in a hydroponic mix. I have a few plants in soil and I dont use salt based stuff or anything out of a bottle, I try to use natural inputs.

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So you don't ph your water?

And guano contains uric acid and phosphoric acid, both of which break down to salt.

Not to mention the potash, which is literally a compound formed out of potassium chloride. Chloride. Crystals. Salt.

Saying you don't use salt-based stuff is literally like saying you don't use nutes. Everything breaks down into a salt, people just have a ooga-booga reaction when you say "salt-based synthetics"...

I guess the new fad of saying "I'm organic!" makes the ego swell a little though...

I thought mill and feed was one of the hydro stores lol jk been a while since ive been there

I used to run all organics but I dont have the time to do it the way I want

till then im hydro

In true organics all that is needed is pure RO Water but to get your soil to that point takes time

Cold$moke said:

In true organics all that is needed is pure RO Water but to get your soil to that point takes time

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I don't have a problem with people saying they like to grow organic. I try to stay as organic as possible, as I am sure most people would try to do if the option were available.

It's the "I don't use any salt based stuff" that is misleading and ultimately false. Even in an amended super soil, your plants are still breaking nutes and trace elements down into salts...

Just my opinion but in true organics its the micros and beneficial s doing all the work
and salt products kill them
and I believe your not entirely right about your salt comment
but I could also be wrong as im not a trained botanist

Cold$moke said:

Just my opinion but in true organics its the micros and beneficial s doing all the work
and salt products kill them
and I believe your not entirely right about your salt comment
but I could also be wrong as im not a trained botanist

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When a plant breaks down potassium, sylvite is created. I don't care how you add the potassium... bat shit, potash, or your favorite hydro mix... it still breaks down into salt in the soil. If the soil has potassium, it's going to slowly start creating salinity in the soil. That's just how chemistry works.

But in true organics your micros prosess said potash then give it to the plant

like I said im NOT a botanist or a chemist
and I may be wrong
im not saying you are with any certainty

look up tlo soil by the REV

TheYokel said:

It's the "I don't use any salt based stuff" that is misleading and ultimately false. Even in an amended super soil, your plants are still breaking nutes and trace elements down into salts...

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In some organic super soil formulas you use epsom salt... so thats true.

I think the point is not to use synthetic inputs... Im of the opinion that its easier to overload a system with salts with a man made nutrient. Not saying you cant do the same with organics and hot fertilizers. I seem to get a better flavor or less of a scratchy throat when running "organics".

Not saying any of you are wrong so please dont hate

just look up True Living Organics

in this THEORY any salts are harmful to the microlife (unsure about the epsome) hes pretty clear he HATES salts

like I said no hate just trying to open doors

TheYokel said:

So you don't ph your water?

Not to mention the potash, which is literally a compound formed out of potassium chloride. Chloride. Crystals. Salt.
Saying you don't use salt-based stuff is literally like saying you don't use nutes. Everything breaks down into a salt, people just have a ooga-booga reaction when you say "salt-based synthetics"...
I guess the new fad of saying "I'm organic!" makes the ego swell a little though...

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Nope, I dont PH my water, its taken care of a light top dressing of coffee grounds. PH probe reads around 7. Coffee PH is around 4 ish.

I dont have a negative reaction to salt based nutes, my hydro setup is running Flora Nova and theres salt in there.
I realize what going on.

I use lagenbenite in my mix so the potassium is potassium sulfate, not chloride. I'll have to see how that breaks down in my mix. I'm trying to avoid chlorides if possible.

Yeah I'm trying the organic route... its been years since I've dived back in.. Feedback has been positive, nice smooth smoke. Selling point?.. Eh.. mebby..

I dont have a probmlem either as I have endorsed gh flora series lol
currently I run aero and DWC my buds are sweet to the last puff and not harsh either

"Also if you gota ask you just dont know lol"

Ummm, yeah. That's why I asked. ;^)







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And I'm not trying to hate either. I'm telling you, point blank,

GrowerGoneWild said:

Nope, I dont PH my water, its taken care of a light top dressing of coffee grounds. PH probe reads around 7. Coffee PH is around 4 ish.

I dont have a negative reaction to salt based nutes, my hydro setup is running Flora Nova and theres salt in there.
I realize what going on.

I use lagenbenite in my mix so the potassium is potassium sulfate, not chloride.

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Potassium sulfate is literally a white crystalline salt. You are literally using a salt to avoid using salts.

I didn't join the forums to argue with anyone, but seriously, please stop arguing with science.

If you add potassium, salts are going to be created.

If you find me a way to add potassium to your soil without producing a salinity, I will be the first to approve your research for peer review so that you can claim your upcoming Nobel Prize.